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    • Are The Yankees Bad For Baseball
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  • Oct-28
  • steven_24
I will start out by saying that I am not a fan of the New York Bankees. But that still does not prevent the question are the Yankees bad for baseball. After 2008 and the New York Yankees did not make the playoffs, they went out and spent nearly half a billion dollars over 7 years. After the Yankees did not make the playoffs in 2008, they went out and got CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett. Most teams can't even get one of those guys and there are the Bankees getting all 3 of them. That raises the question, are the Yankees bad for baseball? With there ability to sign literally anybody they wan't when a team for example like the Florida Marlins cant even afford G.ay Rod's contract. I personally believe the Yankees and bad for baseball. And with them making the World Series for like the 50th time, I will not participate in watching the New York Yankees take on the Phillies endless the Phillies are one game away from beating the Yankees. Go PHILLIES!
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  • Oct-28
  • gibbers07

I'm a baseball fan first and foremost above my team the Jays and any other team.

My take is the Yankees are good for baseball. They try to make their club as good as possible they invest in their own product to continually try to make themselves better.

So why are the other 29 billionaires or hundreds times over millionaires of the other clubs slouches in spending money? Why should an owner (the Steinbrenners) temper their attempts at making their investment better? You have teams like the Marlins & Rays that IMO shouldn't even have teams that spend very little in the way of money. The Marlins reap a luxury tax benefit and don't even put the money back into the payroll and if they do, that tax they receive would almost rival what their own bloody owner puts into the team.

Even though I feel the owners of every other team can choose to allocate their money however they choose for other investments they own. Why should the Yankees bow down and take it easy when their owner wants to go full throttle?

The Yankees may run an inefficient operation, but they can and no one should be trying to stop them or slow them down.

And IMO, my team is one of the teams at the biggest disadvantage in all of baseball having to compete against the payrolls of the Sox & Yanks. But I'm not crying for a salary cap or equity. There should always be haves & have-nots in society. You should never make things easier for those that don't try and try to stymie those that do.

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  • Oct-29
  • hoorayred

The Yankees can spend a lot because they make a lot. Believe me, Steinbrenner wouldn't spend a single dollar if he didn't expect to get the dollar back plus some change.

Other owners really can't afford to spend as much because the teams don't make as much. Teams are still businesses in the end. Owners aren't going to toss more money into something unless they think that doing so will end up turning a profit.

No, the Yankees are not good for baseball. It is like if you and a bunch of your friends decided to race cars but you could each only afford a Ford Focus. Then some dude shows up with a Porsche. Yeah, he might still lose by being a bad driver, but he's really stacked the deck in his favor.

The Yankees help players and agents drive up salary demands is all. So in the end, either you pay more for your beer and hotdog or you don't get a good team.

Yes, there are exceptions. The Rays for instance last year. No money spending there. But guess what...it was a one shot...where are they now? On other teams because the Rays couldn't afford to keep them and be good again.

I suppose you probably put all your video games on easy mode just because you can. Forget having some challenging fun when you can just pretend you're awesome.


Edited Oct-29   by  hoorayred
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  • Oct-29
  • dbackfanron
I think you're off base. MLB needs some type of salary cap. It works for the NBA. The NFL has parity for the most part.
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  • Oct-29
  • hoorayred

I've always wished I was 10 feet tall so I could join the NBA. I'd be unstoppable, unbeatable. Seriously, the NBA would have to pay me to NOT play so that fans would stay interested.

Actually...now that I think about my fellow Americans, knowing that the same team is going to win indefinitely would probably draw more fans.

The only better solution is if we could get the results from the future so that we wouldn't even have to bother playing. Then we could all root for the team that won and feel good about ourselves for picking a winner.

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  • Oct-29
  • dbackfanron
You're point is?
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  • Oct-29
  • hoorayred

Just wondering if should a team somehow become so dominant that the sport is no longer interesting, would people stop watching or just all become fans of that team.

Also that it s*cks to be 5'8"


Edited Oct-29   by  hoorayred
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  • Oct-29
  • gibbers07

Okay, if you implement a cap and the Yankees are saving say 50 million in salary and everyone is on the same playing field for cap space or alot more even than it is now. How do you prevent the Yankees from the offering contracts to all the best scouts in baseball, far greater than any other team and hiring most to all of the scouts these contracts, flooding the world with the best scouts. Then what, you prevent them from doing that?

I have no problem with what the Yankees are doing and I'm not a Yankee fan. I enjoy seeing teams that choose to spend their money on baseball win. I hate seeing teams like the Marlins have payrolls of like 20 or 30 million when they're a team in pro sports, its lame.

And as for parity, you're still gonna get teams run by idi0ts that don't know what the f*ck they're doing. So do you then suggest that the mistakes by those teams be corrected by sending them better players from the better teams and the better teams sending some of their worst to equal things out further.

Parity s*cks in baseball, pro sports and life. If you got it flaunt it, and if you don't stop whining.

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  • Oct-29
  • hoorayred
You really seem like a total ******bag.
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  • Oct-29
  • dbackfanron
LOL. Well said.
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  • Oct-29
  • steven_24

It's like when the Yankees signed Carl Pavano to that huge deal and he was a bust, that would put nearly every team in flux for years and years until his contract expired, but because the yankees have such a big pay roll they can afford to have bust.

"Yes, there are exceptions. The Rays for instance last year. No money spending there. But guess what...it was a one shot...where are they now? On other teams because the Rays couldn't afford to keep them and be good again."

And the Rays are not going to be able to afford the contract of Carl Crawford so say goodbye to him too.


Edited Oct-29   by  steven_24
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  • Oct-29
  • steven_24
In the NFL and NBA, each team has the chance to at least go .500 or make the playoffs. It's just what you do with the money. In baseball with every team having a different sallary cap, it gives teams an unfair advantage.
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  • Oct-30
  • gimpygimp
Bad. And not just because i dont like the Yankees. MLB and the networks that cover the playoffs want to see Phillies vs Yankees. Yankees vs Boston alcs. Dodgers and Philles nlcs. Point is they want the highest ratings possible...They dont want to see the Pirates taking on the Mariners in the world series. I dont want to see a scandal in the mlb like there was in basketball...umpires betting on games...trying to send certain teams to the playoffs all so the networks can get high ratings.
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  • Oct-30
  • gibbers07

"You really seem like a total ******bag."

You guys asked the question if the Yankees are bad for baseball?

What did you want yes-man answers saying, they are?

All I'm saying is, how can people be pi55ed with an owner that's willing to spend his money? Yet no one says a da*ned thing about the Marlins taking the luxury tax money, yet still running a team with a payroll that barely exceeds what they receive in luxury tax.

How is being a team that has their hand out, worse than a team that wants to make things better?

And being a Canadian, I've always had this impression that Americans wanna be the best and proclaim to be. But in the microcosm of baseball you want to smash that myth I've had, how does that make sense?

Funny how the majority of people think baseball should make things fair for all the teams. But in everyday life if you suggested that everyone be entitled to the same amount of money to sustain themselves even though some people work like dogs and others are welfare bums and cheats that the populace would trash that idea in a second. And that idea is to sustain life, not play a game.

Yankees are great for baseball and all the other billionaires that have their money in other interests and their little toy baseball team is an after-thought should be ashamed of themselves.

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  • Oct-30
  • gibbers07

"Bad. And not just because i dont like the Yankees. MLB and the networks that cover the playoffs want to see Phillies vs Yankees. Yankees vs Boston alcs. Dodgers and Philles nlcs. Point is they want the highest ratings possible...They dont want to see the Pirates taking on the Mariners in the world series. I dont want to see a scandal in the mlb like there was in basketball...umpires betting on games...trying to send certain teams to the playoffs all so the networks can get high ratings."

Whats wrong with that?

Should the best car makers be forced to help out the ones that s*ck? Not in my books. It should be every company (team) for themselves.

There's atleast 4 teams right now in MLB that would be better suited being a 2nd or 3rd team in a more populace city. Hockey is a glaring example of how some sports just don't work in certain cities. Yet they keep trying to jam it down people's throats.

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  • Oct-30
  • hoorayred

Um, I don't like cheap owners either. Not all owners can go and spend money like other owners, but yes, there are a few that are cheapskates. I'm sure MLB regrets letting them own teams.

But there you go and say they are feeding off the luxury tax. Guess what? A salary cap means no luxury tax which means those cheap owners either put up or sell.

"Funny how the majority of people think baseball should make things fair for all the teams. But in everyday life if you suggested that everyone be entitled to the same amount of money to sustain themselves even though some people work like dogs and others are welfare bums and cheats that the populace would trash that idea in a second. And that idea is to sustain life, not play a game."

That makes no sense. I'm not suggesting every player should get paid the same amount. I'm not even suggesting that owners should share profits with other owners. In fact, a salary cap would help to eliminate that.

Baseball under its current system is dying. People don't watch baseball anymore. Other sports are stealing fans. Especially in this day when people like faster moving things.

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  • Oct-30
  • gimpygimp
You didnt get the message. Even if the Yankees just want to win a world series by spending 500000 billion dollars..fine be that way, its fine with me. But i dont want umpires to become bias against small market teams and try help the yankees,phillies, etc get to the world series. Corruption
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  • Oct-30
  • gibbers07

Eh....yeah, been pretty bad this year and other things like Jeffrey Maier incident etc...

We've got a guy on our forum that screams about Red Sox bias on everything from balls & strikes to other stuff.

I'm not here to be a d*ck, I'm just stating that I think big money is good for any business including baseball. I hold no bias, I'm a baseball fan first & foremost, my team resides in the AL EAST and has to face the Yanks & Sox way too many times :P but the Yanks and Sox are fun to watch. Their owners made their own money, just like every other owner....(excluding Phoenix Coyotes, joke situation). I don't think players should be restricted from making as much money as they want. And I don't think owners should be restricted from spending as much as they want. For 140 years of baseball there've been the have's & have-nots. I like seeing teams make it on their own with the resources they have or what they can get.

Just my take on things.


Edited Oct-30   by  gibbers07
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  • Oct-30
  • hoorayred
If that is the way you feel, then fine. Just never let me catch you complaining about the Jays not making the playoffs for the next....eternity.
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  • Oct-30
  • steven_24
lol.
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