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  • Nov-2
  • F16CHIEF

This story speaks for itself.

ww.w.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571215,00.html

The former director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in southeast Texas says she had a "change of heart" after watching an abortion last month — and she quit her job and joined a pro-life group in praying outside the facility.

Abby Johnson, 29, used to escort women from their cars to the clinic in the eight years she volunteered and worked for Planned Parenthood in Bryan, Texas. But she says she knew it was time to leave after she watched a fetus "crumple" as it was vacuumed out of a patient's uterus in September.

'When I was working at Planned Parenthood I was extremely pro-choice," Johnson told FoxNews.com. But after seeing the internal workings of the procedure for the first time on an ultrasound monitor, "I would say there was a definite conversion in my heart ... a spiritual conversion."

Johnson said she became disillusioned with her job after her bosses pressured her for months to increase profits by performing more and more abortions, which cost patients between $505 and $695.

"Every meeting that we had was, 'We don't have enough money, we don't have enough money — we've got to keep these abortions coming,'" Johnson told FoxNews.com. "It's a very lucrative business and that's why they want to increase numbers."

A spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood told FoxNews.com that it offers a range of services at it 850 health centers nationwide, providing pregnancy tests, vaccinations and women's health services, "including wellness exams, breast and cervical cancer screenings, contraception, and STD testing and treatment."

"Planned Parenthood's focus is on prevention," wrote Diane Quest, the group's National Media Director. "Nationwide, more than 90% of the health care Planned Parenthood affiliates provide is preventive in nature," explaining that a "core component the organization's mission is to help women plan healthy pregnancies and prevent unintended pregnancies."

But Johnson said her bosses told her to change her "priorities" and focus on abortions, which she said made money for the office at a time when the recession has left them hurting.

"For them there's not a lot of money in education," she said. "There's as not as much money in family planning as there is abortion."

Without a doctor in residence, she said, her clinic offered abortions only two days a month, but the doctor could perform 30 to 40 procedures on each day he was there. Johnson estimated that each abortion could net the branch about $350, adding up to more than $10,000 a month.

"The majority of the money was going to the facility," she said.

Johnson said she never got any orders to increase profits in e-mails or letters, and had no way to prove her allegations about practices at the Bryan branch. She told FoxNews.com that pressure came in personal interactions with her regional manager from the larger Houston office.

But she said she got involved with the clinic "to help women and ... [do] the right thing," and the idea of raking in cash seemed to go against what she felt was the mission of the 93-year-old organization.

"Ideally my goal as the facility's director is that your abortion numbers don't increase," because "you're providing so much family planning and so much education that there is not a demand for abortion services.

"But that was not their goal," she said.

A spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood refused to answer questions about Johnson's accusations, but released a statement noting that a district court had issued a temporary restraining order against the former branch director and against the Coalition for Life, an anti-abortion group with which Johnson is now affiliated.

"We regret being forced to turn to the courts to protect the safety and confidentiality of our clients and staff, however, in this instance it is absolutely necessary," said spokeswoman Rochelle Tafolla.

It is unclear what made Planned Parenthood seek the restraining order. Johnson said she did not intend to release any sensitive information about her former patients at the clinic.

A hearing is set for Nov. 10 to determine whether a judge will order an injunction against Johnson and the Coalition for Life, which has led protests outside the clinic and joined her in a prayer vigil there last month.

Johnson hasn't found a job since she quit on Oct. 6, but she said she's enjoying the time off to be with her 3-year-old daughter.

"It's been great just to spend some time at home and get a break," she said.


Edited Nov-2   by  F16CHIEF
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  • Nov-2
  • stvitusfx
Your point is that capitalism and working hard to chase a dollar is bad, right?
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  • Nov-2
  • wncbravesfan
Or it could be abortion is murder.
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  • Nov-2
  • yakuzafro
Those anti-abortionists are such socialists.
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  • Nov-2
  • stvitusfx
No I'm very sure that it's Marxist propaganda.
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  • Nov-2
  • stvitusfx
I'm pretty sure I saw "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" somewhere between the lines there....
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  • Nov-2
  • atlsportsfan7

Want true fascism and third world country behavior, try outlawing abortion as a means to cut down on the number of people getting them. The numbers need to be cut by education and birth control not the law.

If Abortion is illegal you'd have more abandoned/orphaned/killed children, more people in poverty (probably more trying to use government help), trying to control the bodies and reproductive rights of women, using police resources and time to enforce the control of women's bodies and prosecute those who don't carry out their full pregnancies, rising health problems/hospital resources/ personnel because of dangerous illegal abortions, more criminal activity because of the practice of illegal abortions, the complication of rights for pregnant women who are victims of health problems/ra.pe/incest, more pregnant teenagers, populations problems that you see in places like China/India/Africa. This list goes on and on.

The way to stopping it is preventing the pregnancies in the first place, not outlawing it completely. This is why the Republicans or any conservative politician will keep trotting out the issue for votes they know they'll never do a thing about it because no one has in 30 years, but boy can they muster up votes from those that believe they can. Do you think they want to lose those voters they have in their back pockets by actually doing something about it?



Edited 11/2/2009 11:03 pm ET by atlsportsfan7
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  • Nov-2
  • F16CHIEF

While I completely agree that education and prevention are extremely important, I cannot agree to make it legal.

To see this in action, insert other issues.

Don't make murder illegal, it's just going to happen.

Don't make crack or crystal meth illegal, it will just cause bad batches and more people will die.

Don't make ponzi schemes illegal cause they'll just come up with something else.

Take a stand against evil at all costs. This type of reasoning is why those 15 year olds just set a honor student on fire. We have to start placing a value on all life, at every point of that life. Until we do, children will see through the hypocrisy of what we are saying and they too will not value life at all.

You cannot, for one second, show a shred of evidence that points to millions of abortions prior to it being legal, that were performed by coat hangars. You cannot show me where millions of mothers were dieing in back alley's with bloody coat hangars in their hands.

I can however, show you the statistics of where 7,500 children are murdered each day in this country. In just 8 days, that would be more than the Vietnam War.

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  • Nov-2
  • atlsportsfan7

Ok, so if what you say is right and there are 7,500 a day (Which I doubt). What happens if all those children are born? How would it apply to everything I said about third world country or poverty problems? If all those children are born to parents who don't want them or don't have the resources to take care of them, how do we manage? Dreadful as it may be to think about, this is reality.

Probably one of the biggest problems with African nations and poverty, some countries don't have women's rights and the countries that do, don't have much safe clinics for women or safe means to birth control. You think they would have a lot of the problems they have with AIDS, poverty and population if they had safe legal abortions there?



Edited 11/2/2009 11:56 pm ET by atlsportsfan7
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  • Nov-3
  • yakuzafro

I just did a quick search to try to find out in which countries abortion is 100%, totally illegal, under all circumstances. Chile, El Salvador, and Vatican City. Neat.

www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02.htm

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  • Nov-3
  • atlsportsfan7

Also, you disprove your own point about the number of dangerous abortions prior to legalization. If there are 7500 people getting them a day right now, you think that number of those intending to or are committed to it will magically drop below 1,000 a day?

I ask you again, how we would also enforce woman to carry children full term? Police? Throw 'em in prison with drug dealers to crowd our prison system even more? Assuming you could lower abortions to a number below 1,000 a day because they'd have to be performed by untrained people and illegally now, you'd still have maybe 500 people every 24 hours that police would need to track down and prosecute because of illegal abortions.



Edited 11/3/2009 12:14 am ET by atlsportsfan7
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  • Nov-3
  • yakuzafro

Here's my plan:

All women will undergo *mandatory* weekly screenings to test for pregnancy. Once a child is conceived, the mother will be put into a 9 month "materinty camp," under 24 hour pre-natal surveillance. When she gives birth, she will be allowed to return to her normal life. The baby can then be kept with the mother or given up for adoption. Thousands more orphanages will be needed, however. Hello stimulus money!

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  • Nov-3
  • atlsportsfan7
You know how many problems you just solved? (minus the ones you created in return)
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  • Nov-3
  • F16CHIEF

I love how you doubt the numbers. Based on what? Your opinion. I'll just stick to the CDC and AGI. The only two groups that have data on this subject. Note how in your perfect world of Government regulation, CA isn't even required to report their data. You can only base it on their population. Without including them and 3 other states, there was 1.21 million baby murders in 2005. That number has since increased. 1.21\365 = 3315 a day. Again, that was with 2005's data, and 3 states, one of which the largest, not reporting.

w.ww.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

I love how you and Yak have this cute little affair where you make suggestions to yourself. It's very grown up.

That being said, lets say we did prosecute the people we could prove had abortions. How would that be any different in prosecuting those we could prove are selling crack? Isn't both a matter of catching them? I don't know, try arresting women who scar themselves up so bad they come into the ED. In case you don't know, doctor performed murders also come with scarring and often more work after the murder takes place. You'll never hear that.

So, with Yak's idea, you two chuckle like little girls. What I find funny is that you make fun of the idea of putting a woman in a camp for her pregnancy, yet you support drilling out the skull of a little helpless baby who can't speak to defend itself. Gee, yeah, I see how you guys are right here.

While I would never support doing that to women, it hardly compares to drilling out a precious little child's skull.

How about this. Who ever gets and abortion should have to watch it. Both the Mother and Father should have to watch it. Also, it should be public record. That way, since it's just a simple medical procedure, you know, like removing a mole, then it wouldn't be a big deal if your neighbors, friends, and coworkers knew that you had one or supported your spouse/girlfriend in having one.

Oh wait, I might have hit a nerve there. It's too easy just to let the doctor get his hands dirty. You can blame him instead of shouldering the blame. Pretty much how all of America is now. Commit and act, but take no responsibilty. Kind of like having sex, then taking the easy road out by committing murder instead of taking care of the innocent child.

I may not have all the answers, but I darn sure no that murdering the innocent is never, in any circumstance, the answer.

How about, ***Gasp*** sterelize the woman who gets one. Give her one mistake on the house. No prosecution, but she won't be allowed to use murder as birth control ever again? Wait. I forgot, she has all the rights. The little baby is just a worthless piece of garbage that can be recreated at any time she's "ready" to have a family.

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  • Nov-3
  • atlsportsfan7

I don't remember anyone giggling about it but the alternatives are unimaginable when looking at it in the scope of reality. You act like the women getting abortions aren't going through an emotional ordeal while doing so. DO they deserve to have their lives under a microscope and be open to abuse by others who disagree with their decision because of the emotional conclusion they've come to? What does making it public serve other than to violate their rights and opening up individuals for needless harassment. Medical issues should be private and you don't find that kind of an approach to be an infringement on their rights as an American and a woman? You have an unrealistic grasp on the situation and it isn't as easy as saving 7,000 babies it's about how we control the problems that delve deep into the gray areas of the issue, our population, legal rights, medical rights and resources, etc. It'd be a nice paradise if we had the resources and spare good homes to take care of all the children you want to save from parents who can't take care of them, don't want them, or can't give them a good home. Outlawing it will never solve the problem, only create more problems, especially with the freedoms and rights of women.

I never doubted the numbers so much as I wasn't sure if it was that high. I wouldn't doubt it's near there but not that high. It was an honest question of how much. But I was using your number to question your approach.

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  • Nov-3
  • mrthanson

she works there for 8 years, where babies are murdered every day. She needs to see an ABORTION to realize it's wrong? I'm really going to start getting out of line, so i'm ending this now.

pro-abortion people are sickos.. and should be euthanized themselves. (RUH ROH, CONUNDRUM)

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  • Nov-3
  • mrthanson
Well, since you worship Satan, your opinion becomes trivial to me. Yes, Stephen, the government doesn't tell people to use protection. Maybe the government should staple condoms on men?
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  • yakuzafro
You mean there are more to issues than black and white? And that not everything has a simple fix?!
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  • Nov-3
  • atlsportsfan7

Yes, that's it. I worship Satan. Or is that that no one is really pro-abortion they're pro-choice because they don't feel like invading people's lives. No one likes abortion, and i'm sure there are millions of pro-choice individuals or couples who would never consider having a an abortion themselves. But those same people want no part of trying to control women's lives. It's about individual freedoms of women. Tough concept for some of the men to get here that are arguing against it. We need to prevent the pregnancies in the first place, not outlaw abortion and criminalize those who get one. You guys seems to be under the impression that every single abortion is easy for every single woman that has them and they don't give it a second thought. I am sure there are some women who are horrible with it, but most probably struggle with the decision.

This feels ridiculous when a bunch of guys are arguing about abortion. The women on this board are too smart to enter this endless argument.



Edited 11/3/2009 8:14 am ET by atlsportsfan7
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  • Nov-3
  • F16CHIEF

Ah yes, the board liberal chimes in yet again. No answers, just talk. Stay on the fence liberal. Whatever it takes to passify yourself that again today, 7,000 babies will have their skulls drilled out and they'll be dumped in the trash.

But, where's this gray area in what you and ATL talk about? Surely you cannot be talking about murder? It's clearly defined in US law that murder is illegal. How's there a gray area there again? Oh wait, because a bunch of hippies decided that it was their "right" to murder the silent victims 40 years ago? So, a drugged out generation like the baby boomers can somehow change the name of infanticide to "abortion" and it becomes a gray area? Uh yeah. Try again.

This I know. Both ATL and Yak are both very young. You guys come on here with what your professors and your socialism class tell you. I just graduated college in 05. I know how it goes. I was stuck in classes with 18 year olds who couldn't think for themselves. You guys need some more experiences in life and I bet money you'll change your mind.

Example. When you hold your child for the first time. They first time your baby grabs on to you out of fear. You'll realize at that point, that no man could come between the gift of God that you hold in your hands. If you can look into the eye of a smiling 4 month baby and somehow still tell yourself that 4 months ago, it would have been okay to drill it's skull out and throw it in the trash, then you are a sick, lost cause.

There is no gray area in murder. Period. I'll say it again. There is no gray area in murder. Ever. It's written into US law. It's on the 10 Commandments. The commandments might have been chisled out of gray stone, but its rules are black and white.

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