It really seems to me that if Artie and management really wanted to win a World Series, they would of done things a lot different. One, they would of signed Teixera. Not only does he make our line-up twice as strong, he wouldn't have been on the yankees! Two of the other players being doused in champagne were burnett and C.C.; two players that were up for grabs in the beginning of the season. Ok, we get it, you don't want to spend the big bucks. How about via trade, for a this guy named Roy Halladay. Because you do realize that if we would have obtained him, he would of pitched in game 3 and 6. Remember those games. And yes they wanted Saunders, Aybar and I believe Wood not sure on him though; but you have Doc to replace Joe, Maicer to replace Aybar and Wood is unproven- and you have Doc this year too, just in case Lackey walks. We have Doc- we win that series. Ok you don't want to give up major league talent? How about a guy named Cliff Lee. The Phils got him for there number 2,5 and 15th rated prospects. You saw what he did in the playoffs and most notably the yankees right? Every year I really wonder if Artie and management are as serious as they say they are about winning a WS. Or if he is just stoked that all he has to do is win the weakest division in baseball and the joint sells out every night. Cause at the end of the day, Artie is not just a major league baseball owner- hes a business man.

Does Arte have money in Switzerland?

I have to disagree with just about everything you said.
1. Tex wanted to play for the yankees. The Angels thought they had a deal for him but it became more than just the money.
2. The Angels came very close to getting Doc Halladay but in the end, the Blue Jay demands were ridiculous. How much better could Doc have been than Lackey? I say not much.
3. Why do you say the AL West is the weakest division in baseball? 3 out of 4 teams had winning records well above the .500 mark.
4. Arte Moreno gives Angel management the tools to win championships but he's not going to spend beyound the point where he can't make a profit.

Yep I agree with your answers to the points raised.No way Tex was genna sign with us Mrs.Tex saw to that.Toronto got too greedy.I hate this "Weak AL West" talk-even the last placed A's played some great ball post All Star break.No way Artes genna up the payroll to Yankee levels

The Angels do not have the endless amounts of cash that the Yankees generate. They can't afford to over pay someone and not have it work out. They've paid some big bucks to players, but can't afford to wrap up $200 million on just 1 or 2 players because if they don't work out, that would be the end of signing top free agents for a while and probably the end of teams recent run of success.

Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, I don't think "Doc, Cliff, or Tex" would help Figgins or Rivera or anyone else hit the ball. Or make Maicer make the play at second. Or make Scioscia change his line-up.

Did anyone notice the "Stellar" post season Teixeira had? We had plenty of players who had great Regular Seasons only to tank in the Post Season! We should be thanking the Yankees for taking Tex away. He is Way Overrated as far as I'm concerned.

As for Doc, they were way too greedy in their demands for him. No way I give up Aybar as part of that trade.

As for Cliff Lee, I don't know what it would have taken to get him. All I know is if the guys we have performed at all I really believe we could have gone further.

Oh well, Hopefully we can do better next year.

"One, they would of signed Teixera"

Dude, we offered him 8-years for a 160 million. He got $20 million more from the Yanks. The guy wanted to play on the EAST coast. Got that? To even get him to consider playing on the WEST coast we would have had to sweeten our offer by at least 40 to 50 million. Which would have been stupid.

"The Angels came very close to getting Doc Halladay but in the end, the Blue Jay demands were ridiculous. How much better could Doc have been than Lackey? I say not much."
Excactly!! To have Lackey followed by Doc in the postseason- fit them for rings! Another point you brought up ( and me), I thought Artie bought this team to win a world series - not to make a profit.

Other than Kazmir, the Angels pitching wasn't the problem against the Yankees. The team has more errors than runs through the first two games of the ALCS. You're not going to win when you play that way.

I understand that, and you have to understand that the offer the Angels made to him was to save face to say to the fans "we tried!' And I guess it worked. It was clear from the beginning that he was going to try for 200 million - and we offer him 160. Yes that is a ton of money - but it was also a offer that the Angels knew he would not take. So they were 20 mill short right? You take Vlads 18 mill and juan's 13 mill and you have him. So we were stupid not to sweeten the deal with Vladdy and Juans money. A once in lifetime player and probably the AL MVP. They never were really serious about obtaining him, that 160 offer was a offer to keep fans happy, to say "we tried!"

"Unless there's something I'm not seeing here, I don't think "Doc, Cliff, or Tex" would help Figgins or Rivera or anyone else hit the ball. Or make Maicer make the play at second. Or make Scioscia change his line-up."
Really? If we would had Cliff or the Doc - they wouldn't have to hit! They are true number ones, they are expected to win with two runs- and most of the time they do- at least Cliff Lee did this postseason. I wish we would of had the chance to see if Doc could of done it. And you would not want arguably the best pitcher in baseball because you would not give up Erik Aybar... Huh, I didn't know small, quick shortstops who hit for average with no power were so hard to come by... Guys kind of like Maicer Izturis; except maicer hits for a little more power. It was a joke that deal did not get done. The reason that deal didn't get done is the guys they would be giving all make 500K. Because every year it seems more and more that Artie is in it for the business - not the World Championships.

Tex and Boras played the Angels -not the Angels playing the fans.Didn't matter what we offered he WASN'T genna play on the west coast simple as.If we'd matched the $180m he'd have gone to New York ,if we'd gone up to $200m they would've matched it and he'd have gone to New York

Most of what you proposed wasn't going to happen, and wouldn't have helped us win the Series even if it did.

Getting Cliff Lee for what the Phillies did was pretty slick. And I'm surprised we didn't get a run a Jake Peavy. Of course, these are GM issues, not owner issues, so might want to talk to Reagins about those.

What we needed to win that series was Figgins and Abreu to hit, and a closer, a dominant one. Not starting pitchers, not another 1B.

As for closers, I seem to remember a younger, better K-Rod giving up some homeruns in the post-season. Look at Joe Nathan; one of the best, pretty dominant - this post-season, he got lit up, to the tune of a 9.00 ERA.

We got close, really close, who knows what would've turned the tide in our favor? The Yankees were over-loaded with talent, and with better weather, or better breaks, who knows, maybe we snatch it from them.

And if we do, then everyone wold be brutally criticizing the Yankees for all their now-stupid moves, like signing CC, Teix, and Burnett, and with all that money spent, nothing to show for it. And everyone would be talking about how the Angels built their club the "right way."

Funny how the outcome of two games would change everyone's perception so dramatically. But you know it's true.

"It really seems to me that if Artie
and management really wanted to
win a World Series, they would of
done things a lot different."

Wow, you see right though Mr. Moreno and management. Of COURSE they avoid winning a World Series championship as if it were the freaking bubonic plague.

But they couldn’t fool you!
No, you’re just too quick and clever, you little super-sleuth, you.

Artie? Is that you? If so, can you explain why you didn't make the deals that could of put us over the top?

Teix wanted to be a Yankee. He didn't want to go anywhere else.

I always love these threads from Posters about how they would have, or should have spent other people's money

"If so, can you explain why
you didn't make the deals that
could of put us over the top?"

Oh, it's just like you've already so brilliantly deduced, Sherlock. I don't want a World Series championship! So even though I COULD "of" moved Heaven and Earth and gotten it done, I arbitrarily decided against risking the possibility of winning a World Series by accident.

Incidentally, if you're going to incorporate real people's names into your screen name, try not to insult them by committing childish grammatical errors like, "could of."

Halladay and Lee are free agents after 2010.

Kendry Morales was a fantastic replacement for Teixeira.

This team had an unbelievable string of injuries this year and played with a heavy heart with the loss of Nick Adenhart.

This team was at .500 around June 10 yet finished with 97 wins. They swept Boston in the first round of the playoffs. They didn't beat the Yankees in the postseason, but nobody else did either.

In an area where unemployment was 8-10% the crowds were large due in part to discounts and giveaways.

You might not be able to afford to attend Angel games if the Angels did what you wanted.

"You might not be able to afford
to attend Angel games if the Angels
did what you wanted."

Damm good point.