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    • Scott Boras. Who likes this guy?
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  • 7/29/12

Cano isn't even a free agent for another season and a half and this dumb nuts is already positioning to take the Yankees for all they are worth. Cano is the best 2nd basemen in the league IMO, and I realize he is entitled to a big payday but something about Boras' price gouging just aggravates me. This was on MLBTradeRumors.com

Agent Scott Boras, who represents Cano, said it costs elite prices to buy elite players out of free agent years. Boras pointed out that the Yankees generate far more revenue than most teams and said clubs sometimes have to commit to ten-year deals for the privilege of locking up an elite player for his prime years.

Basically saying because the Yankees make some good money, they really have no option than to pay Cano "elite prices" (which is probably 25 million a year) for 10 years. Even at that price and the Yankees new plan to get under 189 million, I doubt they would pay Cano that much. Expecially because Granderson also needs an extention. I dont see how it would be possible to pay Cano 25mm, Granderson similar money and keep the other over inflated contracts on the books AND stay under 189 million.

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  • 7/29/12
The players.
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  • 7/29/12

Who likes this guy?

The players who he negotiates outlandish contracts for.

That's his job and he's been pretty good at it on the whole.

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  • 7/29/12

He is fantastic at it. Usually gets what he wants, but he is destroying baseball IMO. I know the players should make good money. They are entertainers and should be paid at that level along with Movie Stars...etc. But at the extent that Boras does it is just annoying. Always wants 10 year contracts for players in their 30's and past their prime, but wants the teams to pay them for 10 years based off their best year....as if they will put up those numbers for the next 10 years, which never happens.

Every time I see arod I get annoyed. How can that guy accept his checks knowing that he is 40% of the player he used to be. I wish the Yankees could pay him 40% of his contract. Say for arguments sake, he hits .300 with 50 homers and signs a 10 year deal at 30 million per. Well if he hits .250 with 25 homers the next year, the yankees should be able to pay him roughtly 17 million. But of course it dosnt work like that.

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  • 7/29/12

"Scott Boras. Who likes this guy?"

His clients...

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You can't expect an agent to be making a special effort to help a club out. He's trying to make the most possible money for his player (and himself, of course). Cano will be 30 years old next year. This is his moment for a huge contract in the 5 year range. At the end of that he could be a player in decline, or could have suffered some injury that lessens his value or even ends his career. This his "prime of his career FA" moment. He'll never be in this spot agan. Boars knows the Yankees make more money than any other team, so obviously he's going to try to wring every last dollar out of them.
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  • 7/29/12
But remember, the Yankees gave A-Rod this money only AFTER A-Rod told Boras to "get lost" and came back to the Yankees with his "hat in hand," essentially BEGGING them to take him back. Boras wasn't even in the room when A-Rod got this contract.
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  • 7/29/12

"Every time I see arod I get annoyed. How can that guy accept his checks knowing that he is 40% of the player he used to be. I wish the Yankees could pay him 40% of his contract. Say for arguments sake, he hits .300 with 50 homers and signs a 10 year deal at 30 million per. Well if he hits .250 with 25 homers the next year, the yankees should be able to pay him roughtly 17 million. But of course it dosnt work like that."

How can he?

Very simple. He is entitled to that money because his employer signed the contract.

Don't blame the players for being greedy. We'd all do what they do if we were in their shoes.

If I'm offered a raise at work I don't think I deserve, I'm not going to turn it down. Sure, the money is completely different, but the principal is the same.

Blame Teams and the hierachy of pro sports for letting it get to this point. The teams could all say enough is enough.

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Basically saying because the Yankees make some good money, they really have no option than to pay Cano "elite prices" (which is probably 25 million a year) for 10 years. Even at that price and the Yankees new plan to get under 189 million, I doubt they would pay Cano that much. Expecially because Granderson also needs an extention. I dont see how it would be possible to pay Cano 25mm, Granderson similar money and keep the other over inflated contracts on the books AND stay under 189 million.

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I have NO IDEA what the Yanks will do..........But lets say IF

If the yanks let Cano walk (maybe even for less money) WHO gets Mad?? The FANS do, thats who. (Boras couldn't care less about the Fans)

IF the Yanks Pay Boras's client (cano) and Cano has a few great years and then for the Last 7 Years he's not even close to being worth 25 mil a Year...WHO gets Mad?? The Fans DO! (Like I said, Boras doesn't care about the fans)

It all comes down to the Yanks FO.They have to ask themselves

1 How Long will Cano stay productive?

2 Will signing him mean we can't sign other FAs to fill a NEED?

# is Cano "Worth" the 25 mil a year?

Blaming everything on Boras is not the answer. There is enough blame to go around. Remember, Boras Does not care/and Doesn't negotiate for the Fans,,,,,,,,,,,He works for his clients

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I know, Arods contract set Boras up for 5-10 other terrible 10 year contracts. Not sure how that formula works.

Talks Rangers into miserable 10 year contract, Arod performs for a couple years....trades to Yankees. Yankees big against themselves and pay Arod again for 10 years....and he dosnt perform. Yet somehow, all the other teams see that this is a terrible contract for the Yankees, yet are giving players 7-10 year contracts. The Tigers are going to be hurting because Prince Fielder isnt going to hold up with his body typle.

To Further comment on your comment....That whole Arod opting out thing is about the most annoying thing that has ever happened. The Rangers were on the hook for a substantial portion of his contract. Im not sure how you let the guy Opts out and come back for MORE MONEY when NOBODY was calling. I would have told Arod, you can come back....with the years remaining on your old contract and only the money WE owed you. You lose the Rangers side.

But most people are gutless. Arod would have been screwed and been forced to play for a percentage of his contract becuase he was greedy. That would have sent a message throughout baseball.

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  • 7/29/12

Who said I blame Arod....?

I blame Boras for seeking money that isnt justified and has no history of working out on these 10 year contracts.

Yes, the teams are 100% at fault because they also sign these contracts...and the players union employee of the month is always Boras.

The teams make alot of money, so I do believe that most of that money should go to players, but on 10 year deals that puts players wayyyy past their prime are rediculous.

I have no problem with 5 year 20 mil per contracts. I just think comments by boras are laughable when he says things like you have to give elite players 10 year deals to sign them.

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Agreed and I get all of that. Its everyone's fault. But it originates for Boras. I know he dosnt care what anyone thinks.

If the Yankees give Cano a 10 year contact when the already have a terrible 10 year contract on the books, then it's their bad. Then in 3-4 years they will be paying 2 guys 25 million per year to do almost nothing (assuming Cano declines that far). Not to mention paying CC as a top 2 pitcher in the league when he is barely top 15 or 20.

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Boras is simply the best at his job, just as Cano is the best at his.

Nobody is forcing any team to pay the asking price.

One good thing about what Boras and the other agents are doing is that no team can afford
to collect too many impact players, so the talent is spread out.

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Nobody likes him except his clients. I shudder every time I learn he represents a Yankee player. He just happens to be the best at what he does.
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On rare occasion, Boras actually screws his client over.

I forget the numbers but a few years ago, I think the Sox offered Varitek a 2-3 year deal at 10 million per season. Boras talked Varitek into walking, that he could get more for his services on the open Market ( I think this was after a season where he hit like .220). So Boras asks the Sox for a 3 year deal, I think at 15 million per season. The Sox said...walk then.

A while later Boras crawls back to the Sox after, not suprisingly to most, nobody called about Varitek, and accepts a 5 million dollar 1 year deal with an option for a second year at 5 million. Essentially screwing his client out of 10 million or so.

Like I said, I dont remember the numbers, but they are similar to what happens. I remember shaking my head. Ended up benefitting the team for once.

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  • 7/29/12

you are wrong. Cano just turned 30 last October. He will be 32 in October 2013. No way you give a 32 year old player a 10 year deal. The Angels were stupid enough to do that with Pujolis and the Yanks , thanks to Hank , were equally stupid enough to give a 32 year old A Rod a 10 year deal.
Yankees WILL NOT give into Boras' demand for a 10 year deal. They will let Cano walk first.

Cano will be offered more money , than years. My guess it ends with a 7 year deal ( taking him to age 39) @ 25 million a year. That is 175 million. Yankees will probably try to back load the deal .

If he wants more than that , let him walk.

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Couldn't have turned out better. Varitek & Boras both overvalued what was left of Varitek.
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I think you are right on as far as the Cano contract.
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as you may recall, Cashman did not want A Rod back AFTER his opt out. He already tried to get Ryan Zimmerman from the Nats before he became what he has become.
I would have told A Rod, come back and fulfill your orginal contract or leave. We would have been rid of the declining steroid user next year. That would have been built in money for Cano and Grandersen.

Once again, thanks alot Hank. No wonder Hal kicked your butt to the curb.

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