7-4:

1st pitch pop out to second with one on @ 2nd and 1 out.

DY will stay in that 5th spot until JL manages his last game, which I hope won't be much longer.

A leadoff K on ball 3.

Move this thread down for the Rally Murderer's Row thread.

No.

Delmon goes 1-4 with one rally kill and 2 failures to start a rally.

This guy from last night til his first at bat today, went 5 at bats, saw 7 pitches, and had zero hits.

The insanity of him being on our team, yet alone in the lineup, yet alone hitting 5th, yet alone making 7 million dollars, yet alone sometimes being in leftfield, yet alone swinging at everything at moves AHHHH I just dislike his so much. Awful player. Even Inge could keep his OBP over .300

But our manager is on record saying that OBP is for geeks, and that stats "aren't his thing," so he probably thinks Delmon is a very good middle of the order guy with his, well, average batting average.

There is a lot of fans that could produce a better lineup that Leyland, simply becase we understand the value of hitters based on statistics. Give me the lineup card tomorrow, I'll put Avila (who's looking good) 5th, Peralta 6th. Young and Raburn as far down as possible. And we will improve our chances of scoring Cabrera and Prince simply because Avila will have a quality at bat behind them.

Raburn's .236 OBP hit 2nd today and Delmons' .688 OPS hit 5th.

Seriously, why even start a thread. We know that Delmon is going to flail that the first pitch that is available, yet he is always put in the same spot by the inept manager. So, the obvious problem is not the hitter, it is the manager. Why step on a dead cigarette butt since we know that it's just going to sit in the dugout till fall.

Well the problem is definetly the hitter but I think you mean the problem with Leyland for not moving him down. He has to be in the lineup because there is no one else. If the Raburn garbage is not over after tonight than I have nothing left to say. It was by far the worst night by a player all year. 2 double plays which would have been a third if not for the dropped ball. Swinging on a 3-1 count chasing ball 4 to ground out there was even more. He ran us out of so many innings and he was properly booed for it. Blame DD for not making any kind of trade as we know a right handed bat is needed other wise they will just keep pitching around our 3,4 hitters. Every game wasted is on DD as far as I can see for doing nothing. Other teams are making trades... Who do you suggest for the 5 hole against lefties?

I don't know.

As six-hopper about the merits of posting repetitious information and already known and accepted facts.

Cannot figure out why Tigers haven't signed Vlad. Maybe too much 'fire' for Leyland to handle? Maybe Leyland prefers little man-boys like Ryan and Delmon?

The Delmon haters, imo, are a misguided bunch. His batting average and OPS are far superior to what Brandon Inge was giving us, and look how long a leash they gave Inge.

Inge was making far less money, played far superior defense, and (when he wasn't pouting about playing time) tried to insert himself as a team leader. There's really no comparison here.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because they let one offensive dud keep his job for a long time doesn't mean that they should repeat the mistake.

Plus, as Basta just noted, Inge did have some positives, whereas Delmon has none.

Inge is Bye-Bye 1.

Raburn should be Bye-Bye 2.

Young needs to be Bye-Bye 3. His barely decent hitting stats are an illusion ..he is a terrible ''team'' player. So is Pee Fielder.

It's the same as last year, when Leyland didn't replace Magglio from batting 3rd until we acquired another bat via trade (Delmon, coincidentally), and didn't bench Inge until DD demoted him to AAA. There are far too many instances where it's clear as day something needs to be done, whether a benching or lineup demotion, and Leyland is unable to make the move. It literally takes a move from DD to switch things up. It's just absurd.

On another note, I was out of state and without television for the 08 season and could never understand the Renteria hate. I'd been a fan of his throughout his career, and his offensive numbers weren't terrible (.270 BA with 10 HRs while playing SS) but now I understand how those stats can be misleading. Delmon upping his average with 2 out singles when we're losing by 6 and no one on, while failing (and flailing) miserably in every key situation must be similar.

And Renteria still had a much better WAR, a higher OPS, and nearly as many RBIs (projected for Delmon) while batting mostly 7th and 8th.

Inge was a cancer on this team ever since they tried to make him catch again. Your revisionism fails to impress me.

The final two seasons he spent here, what exactly were his positives?

His fan appeal to old women and men who prefer other men, do not count here.

Repetition is the key to getting a point across.

Repetition is the key to getting a point across.

"Cannot figure out why Tigers haven't signed Vlad"

Or Thome or (especially) Abreu when they were available. Missed opportunities all around.