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    • Who do Sox acquire for 1B/OF Platoon?
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  • Jan-17

Now that Napoli is in the fold it is widely believed the Sox will be looking for a 1B/OF platoon player. I went around the league and found several players that have played 1st and OF at some level/point in their careers. I have no idea who is available so... But of these players who would you prefer and why? Or is there someone I haven't listed you'd like?

In no particular order:

Minny- Parmelee
Pitt.- Sanchez, Jones< said not to be available.
LAA- Calhoun
Oakland- Moss, Barton
Seattle- Carp
Texas- Olt
Ariz.- Hinske
Col.- Colvin
Miami- Mahoney
SD- Kotsay
STL- Carpenter

If I had a choice Id want Jones but Pitt is reluctant to trade him. My 2nd choice is Moss as I like to have that Power off the bench. I think the Sox will choose Kotsay as he fits the "mold" that they seem to be looking for. Mark would also come cheap I believe but he's an old man and I'd rather have a younger guy with some pop or great defense.

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  • Jan-17
Now that Salty is signed perhaps he will become trade bait. Seattle could use another catcher for a year until their top Catching prospect is ready so....
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  • Jan-17
I know there are a lot of people around here who want Salty shipped out of town, but you might as well accept that he's not going anywhere. Lavarnway isn't ready for prime time and Salty provides the lefty compliment to Ross at the catcher position.
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  • Jan-17
Yeah I know but I guess what we dont know is how the Sox view all of these Catchers. I know they are very high on Ross and may even consider him the #1, instead of Salty, although he has never played enough games to really be a #1. If only we knew where they stood. If they are leaning toward Ross as #1 and also being a "Mentor", they may want Lavarnway up here to learn from Ross. That leaves Salty out in the cold. And another factor is Napoli, if healthy enough, or in an emergency situation, could be used there. We also have Butler and Vazquez on the 40 man Roster so it makes me wonder if Salty wont be moved. I could see him going to either Seattle or NYM.
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  • Jan-17

I don't think anyone in the Sox organization is delusional enough to consider Ross a primary catcher. He's never been one in his career and it's doubtful anyone would think of him as an option for one at age 35.

Given the concerns about Napoli's hip I can't see them wanting him spending any time behind the plate. And neither Butler nor Vazquez is anywhere near major league quality. Just because they are all on the 40-man roster doesn't mean all of them will remain there. Butler in particular really has no real future with the team. I'm not sure why he remains on the roster at this point.

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  • Jan-17
They just added Butler to the 40-man this winter. I could understand adding one of them (Butler or Vazquez), but not both. Adding all these marginal prospects to protect them from the Rule 5 draft is a big reason for this 40-man roster crunch.
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  • Jan-17
Yeah, I know. They tend to waste at least a few roster spots every year on marginal guys for no apparent reason.
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  • Jan-17
Id just assume trade him and get what you can, more prospects would be nice.
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  • Jan-17

CAME OUT BEFORE NAPOLI SIGNED

First Baseman/Outfielderby Ricky Doyle on Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:03PM

The Red Sox have been busy in free agency this offseason, and apparently they’re looking into the trade market as well.

According to The Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo, the Red Sox are exploring trades for a left-handed hitting first baseman/outfielder.

Cafardo points out that such a player would compliment Mike Napoli at first base and Jonny Gomes in left field. That, of course, is based on the assumption that the Red Sox will eventually finalize a deal with Napoli, who still hasn’t officially signed with the club seven months after initial reports surfaced stating that a three-year deal was in place.

Napoli and Gomes are both right-handed hitters who have traditionally fared better against left-handed pitching. Napoli’s batting average and on-base percentage against left-handers are .273 and .381, respectively, while he’s a .253 hitter with a .347 on-base percentage against right-handers. Gomes has a .284 career average and a .382 career on-base percentage against left-handers, while he’s hit .223 with a .307 on-base percentage in his career against righties.

It remains to be seen who, specifically, the Red Sox have in mind to fill the role described by Cafardo. They have also checked out free agency, though, as they reportedly worked out Bobby Abreu a couple of weeks ago.

http://nesn.com/2013/01/report-red-sox-exploring-trades-for-left-handed-hitting-first-basemanoutfielder/

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  • Jan-17
I have a question, if you dont mind. If the Sox hang onto Salty for the year ( choosing to keep his bat and get the draft pick when he leaves), what kind of Qualifying offer would they have to give him?
Because if it's that $13m that was thrown around this winter Id rather not give him a qualifying offer and trade him now or at the very least at the deadline.
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  • Jan-17
pretty sure they wouldnt give him the qualifying offer unless he plays over his head. I like saltty and think he gets a bad rap as a catcher. our pitchers are not very good at holding runners on. And lets face it, V-tek called an awesome game but couldnt throw a runner out if you made him stand on the bag.
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  • Jan-17
Well, to me if they wouldnt give him a Qualifying offer and wouldnt get the pick Id rather trade him and get what we can. Go with Ross & Lavarnway.
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  • Jan-17
WHY WOULD YOU GIVE A 5M PLAYER A 13M OFFER?
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  • Jan-17
To get to the other side, of course.
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  • Jan-17
I wouldnt.
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  • Jan-17

Boston Red Sox rumors 2013: What the Mike Napoli deal could mean for the Red Sox

By Ben Shapiro
on January 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM, updated January 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

After over a month of negotiations the Boston Red Sox finally signed Mike Napoli to a one-year contract.
It finally happened.
Thursday morning the Boston Red Sox and free agent Mike Napoli finally agreed on the terms of a contract.

It was a far cry from the three-year, $39 million deal that was initially proposed.

In the end, Napoli got a one-year deal that will pay him a base salary of $5 million, with incentives that could push the deal as high as $13 million.

The Red Sox now have a starting first baseman, but only for one season.

Is there another deal in the works?

The Boston Globe's Peter Abraham reported Wednesday that the Red Sox could match up well with the Seattle Mariners and make a trade.

Since the conclusion of the 2012 season the Mariners have acquired players such as Michael Morse, Raul Ibanez and Kendrys Morales. All are expected to help boost an offense that was one of the league's weakest in 2012.

That leaves the Mariners with two players who were both at one time expected to contribute to varying degrees, but now may find themselves fighting for at-bats or even a roster spot.

Mike Carp and Justin Smoak are both viable backup options at first base. Given the Red Sox's concerns about Mike Napoli's health, having a decent backup could come in handy.

Carp, a 26-year old left-handed hitter, has never been able to establish himself as a regular starter over parts of four big league seasons.

Carp would be more easy to attain, and is probably not a future starter at first base or the outfield, where he has also spent time in the field.

Smoak, a 26-year old switching hitting former first-round draft choice, is a different story.

On July 9, 2010 he was the key cog in a trade between the Seattle Mariners and the Texas Rangers. The Rangers sent Smoak and some other prospects to Seattle, which in turn sent starting pitcher Cliff Lee (along with Mark Lowe) to the Rangers.

That's a hefty price to pay for Smoak's services, and in spite of the fact that he hasn't developed into the same type of player as another former Rangers' switch hitting first baseman, Mark Teixeira, Smoak is still young enough to have a high upside.

Last season Smoak hit 19 home runs and drove in 51 runs in 132 games. He only hit .217 and his on-base percentage was an anemic .290. Those aren't the types of numbers the Red Sox have traditionally chased after, but Smoak still has time to develop and improve.

The question is whether or not the Mariners would want to give up on a player for whom they dealt Cliff Lee, and whether or not the Red Sox are willing to pay that price.

Carp will be a less costly player to acquire. The Mariners don't have as much invested in him and his ceiling is thought to be lower than Smoak's.

Another way Napoli's final deal could impact Boston's decision is that it may lessen the chances that the Red Sox deal one of their catchers.

The Red Sox' concerns about Napoli's health, and specifically the health of his hip, caused the team to tie his incentives to his durability. That suggests it would be unlikely that Napoli spends any time behind the plate.

The Red Sox currently have three options at catcher.

Jarrod Saltalamachhia is the returning starter. The former top-prospect mashed 25 home runs in 2012. Earlier Thursday, WEEI reported that the Red Sox inked Salty to a one-year, $4.5 million contract and avoided salary arbitration with the impending 2014 free agent.

The team signed career backup Dave Ross to a two-year deal and also has prospect Ryan Lavarnway, who they hope can eventually assume starting duties.

Had Napoli been healthy and able to fulfill the Red Sox initial three-year offer, the team could have potentially used him behind the plate. That would have created a surplus of catchers.

With that surplus the Red Sox could have dealt either Saltalamachhia, who will be a free agent after the 2013 season, or Lavarnway, who could be fairly valuable to teams looking for a young catching prospect.

Both of those scenarios seem unlikely now.

One other aspect of the new Napoli deal is the length. Even if Napoli hits all of his incentives and earns $13 million this season, the contract will still expire when the season ends.

The Red Sox now have $13 million more in payroll space than they once thought they would have available for both the 2014 and 2015 seasons.

Could that impact the team's willingness to pursue a long-term deal with Jacoby Ellsbury?

What if Ellsbury has a 2013 season similar to the one he had in 2011? That would make him a very appealing and very expensive player.

The Red Sox haven't displayed an unwillingness to spend money, they just seem hesitant to sink a lot of money over a lot of years on a single player. The ghosts of the Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez and John Lackey deals are no doubt looming large in the minds of Sox brass.

That doesn't mean that they'll never sign another player to a big free -contract though.

If Ellsbury isn't re-signed, other potential free agents next season could command big contracts. Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson are both big names that could be available next offseason. There's even a chance that Roy Halladay will hit the open market.

Payroll flexibility doesn't just impact a team's options with regards to free agents. It allows for greater trade flexibility as well.

A team could acquire players who are already under existing big-money contracts, or deal for players who are free agents down the road with confidence in their ability to eventually sign them to lucrative extensions.

Every move the Red Sox make has a domino effect on future moves. The final incarnation of Mike Napoli's contract is one that fans won't know the full impact of for quite some time.

http://blog.masslive.com/redsoxmonster/2013/01/boston_red_sox_rumors_2013_are.html

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  • Jan-18
I doubt he'd get something that would be considered a qualifying offer. He's only making $4.5 million this year. No way he gets offered anything close to what the amount would be for a qualifying offer. But that doesn't mean they need to "trade him now so they get something for him". What they are getting is his services for this coming season, providing the lefty hitting compliment at catcher. Also, if he actually does well and shows improvement behind the plate they can consider re-signing him to a longer term deal at the end of the year. Yes, he'd probably become a free agent and at least talk to other teams and there's a chance he'd choose to leave, but there's also a chance that the Sox would re-sign him. It would still be less than the likely $14+ million per year that a qualifying offer would be though.
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  • Jan-18
Ok, so you believe the offer would have to be that high? $14m, crazy rules... That's all I wanted to know, thanks.
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  • Jan-18
Bring back Hinskie. I want to see one more face plant diving catch in RF. ;)
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  • Jan-18
LOL, too funny. I believe he was just recently signed by Arizona, so he couldnt be traded til Spring.
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