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  • To:All
  • 10/10/10
  • keithconto

I'm currently in Winchester va working. On the cable here they push the NATS alot. their current tag line is "Were you there?" One of the completions to the question was "when the Nats swept the Pirates"

If you have to tout that how good is your team?

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  • 10/10/10
  • scorp632

Nats commercials are the worst. They have a backup catcher named Wil Nieves. He hit a walk off homer last year for his first homer of the season. They did a commercial with some fan talking about the moment, saying "And who comes up? Wil Nieves. Who? Wil Nieves!"

Then they showed the homer, and the fan was like "Now we know who Wil Nieves is".

Any commercial using Wil Nieves to promote your product is bad from the start.

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  • 10/11/10
  • Hoots
They still finished better then the Bucs. How bad does that make the Pirates?
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632
They also took the Dave Littlefield approach of spending to add a few wins, while still being one of the worst teams in the majors.
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  • 10/11/10
  • AOMac
And FSP uses the Pirate Parrot. " The most interesting mascot in the world".
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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3

"They also took the Dave Littlefield approach of spending to add a few wins"

Like the Pirates under Littlefield's former assistant wanted to do?

"I think that you can see by the acquisition of Aki Iwamura and the free-agent signings that significantly upgraded our bullpen that we believe we can win in 2010." - Coonelly (MLB)

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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632

How passive aggressive are you? You reply to me, but direct the reply to "All". Must be a Canadian thing.

"Like the Pirates under Littlefield's former assistant wanted to do?"

Who is Littlefield's former assistant? Start making sense.

Washington spent $66 M for 69 wins.

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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3
In other words, it's okay if your hero Neal follows the same general strategy to add a few wins.
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632
How is that the same strategy?
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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3
What's the difference between adding Capps and adding Dotel?
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632
The Pirates added Dotel to replace Capps. The Nationals added Capps to upgrade their bullpen.
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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3

The Pirates didn't upgrade their bullpen by adding Dotel? Didn't Capps push Bruney aside?

"I'll take Donnelly over Capps any day of the week." - alvarez10

Edited 10/11/10   by  3pirates3
Edited 10/11/10   by  3pirates3
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632
Just make a point already. Stop trying to ask pointed questions, stop throwing out meaningless quotes, stop trying to back people in to a corner, and just be a man and have a real discussion. Until then, I don't have time for your ignorant childish act.
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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3
I made my point earlier, you didn't like it.
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632
What was your point?
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  • 10/11/10
  • 3pirates3

The "best management team in baseball" added players/"veteran presence" for a few wins just like you accused Washington of.

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  • 10/11/10
  • kovalwat
I understand your point. This Management is no better than past Management.
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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632

See? That's your problem. You have to throw in quotes and no one understands what you're talking about.

To your point:

Washington added:

Adam Dunn: 2 years/$20 M
Jason Marquis: 2/$15 M
Ivan Rodriguez: 2/$6 M
Chien-Ming Wang: 1/$2 M
Willie Harris: 2/$3 M
Adam Kennedy: 1/$1.75 M

They also traded for Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen prior to 2009. Willingham made $2.95 M and $4.6 M in arbitration the last two years. Olsen made $2.8 M in arbitration last year.

The Nationals spent almost $60 M on these players. As a result they only managed 69 wins.

But I see your point. The Pirates traded for Aki Iwamura, and signed Octavio Dotel to replace Matt Capps, who they could have kept for more money than Dotel received. That's about $8 M that they spent. So that's kind of the same as what Washington did.

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  • 10/11/10
  • scorp632

Actually, I think what he's trying to say is that the Pirates, who spent $8 M on Aki and Dotel, did the exact same thing as Washington, who spent $60 M on external additions the last two seasons.

The Nationals spent $66 M in payroll, and your boy is saying the Pirates took the same approach. Do you agree with that Kovie?

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