i had to work tonight so I missed the game. I just caught the highlights on the ESPN. Everyone and their brother is on hear blaming the umpires and a bad call for the loss. At the time of the controversy the O's one once again leading 3-1. The bigger issue is not getting rob by the ref, it is that once again we see an O's starter fall apart when a call doesn't go his way. The loss was 5-3 because Fielder hit it out off Romero who was in in place of O'day. i don't trust Romero and believe that had Patton been out there the result would have been different. Let's hope Patton gets back soon. it was one bad call. Championship teams and winning pitchers are able to overcome these challenges.

Once again you are completely, utterly, 100% wrong and once again your accusation, as well as your basis for it, is completely made up.

1. No one on here is blaming the umpire for the loss. I haven't seen one person do that. I think everyone is just mad in general that we got screwed on a call like that. And you should be too, if you're an O's fan.

2. Don't act like you know what happened when you just said you didn't watch the game. Highlights don't tell the whole story. Now I'm not sure if you noticed this, but during the umpire incident, there was a '5' on the scoreboard. That meant that the game was in the 5th inning. With me so far? Good. Now, when Fielder tied the game, there was a '6' where the '5' was before. What do you think that means, slick? Very good!!! It means it was the 6th inning! I'm impressed you figured that out! In other words, slick, Hunter by NO means fell apart because of the call. After that call, Hunter actually buckled down and retired the next two batters before Wieters threw out Jackson trying to steal second. I was quite impressed. Not exactly 'falling apart' is it?

In the 6th inning, MVP candidate Miguel Cabrera singled and should-be MVP candidate Prince Fielder followed that with a homer. Two of the best hitters in baseball. That could have happened to any pitcher. If those two beat you, you didn't 'fall apart'. If you had checked, you would see that Hunter had a quality start. Again, not exactly 'falling apart'. Then again, these past 3 months are your idea of a 'collapse' so it doesn't surprise me that you would use such a phrase so lightly.

The game was lost because Tommy Hunter CONTINUES to give up home run balls. I don't think that is going to change. I also don't trust Romero the slightest bit. The umps didn't cost us the game, they are just extremely annoying and frustrating. I've NEVER seen a call like that overturned. To the best of my knowledge, it is illegal to overturn a call in those situations. It's not like any other ump had a better view. It wasn't an instant replay situation. Nothing about that made sense. Jim Palmer makes me want to vomit out of my nose with his constant blabber. Every other word out of his mouth is about him and what he did. I care about now, not 1970. This team needs to overhaul its commentating. The frustration on my part spilled over from yesterday when Jones was hit and OUR team put its tail in between its legs and did nothing about it. I've heard enough about the whole "filing it away" nonsense. If you file it away and hit them at a later date, they will in turn just hit us back. It should have been taken care of YESTERDAY, not on some other date.

Dude, There's a thread on here titled we was robbed obviously that means some of the readers are blaming the bad call for the loss. My point is that Hunter had a lead and couldn't hold it and couldn't get us deep enough into the game where Romero wouldn't be a factor. Because of the number of Homeruns he's allowed Hunter probably doesn't belong in the rotation. We didn't add the quality major league starters we needed in the offseason or at the trade deadline and now it is coming back to haunt us. Let's hope the O's can hold on until Hammel gets back. Glad i have to work againt tonight so i don't have to sit through another miserable Zach Britton start.

i've always been in favor of a replay system in baseball. Hopefully this will prompt the league into some action to expand the replay. Heck they could do something with the bag to have it light up or beep when the guys foot comes off the bag. something like that would take the judgement out of the game. Any time a task relies on human judgement, it's likely the task will have a negatiitive result. MAn can not be trusted to get things right when it counts. That''s why we've been exiled to this planet.

"The game was lost because Tommy Hunter CONTINUES to give up home run balls. I don't think that is going to change. I also don't trust Romero the slightest bit. The umps didn't cost us the game, they are just extremely annoying and frustrating. I've NEVER seen a call like that overturned. To the best of my knowledge, it is illegal to overturn a call in those situations. It's not like any other ump had a better view. It wasn't an instant replay situation. Nothing about that made sense. Jim Palmer makes me want to vomit out of my nose with his constant blabber. Every other word out of his mouth is about him and what he did. I care about now, not 1970. This team needs to overhaul its commentating. The frustration on my part spilled over from yesterday when Jones was hit and OUR team put its tail in between its legs and did nothing about it. I've heard enough about the whole "filing it away" nonsense. If you file it away and hit them at a later date, they will in turn just hit us back. It should have been taken care of YESTERDAY, not on some other date."

I'm sort of neutral on the Palmer thing, but I couldn't agree more with the rest. Particularly the Red Sox thing. I try not to question Buck with the job he's done. But there was no good reason not to make, say, Adrian Gonzalez wear one his next at bat after Buchholz hit Jones. We let the Red Sox get away with their typical Red Sox antics, and we lost the game to boot. We can't let them do that garbage and not pay for it.

I don't trust Romero either, at all. I remember when he was with Philly and he had something like a .150 or maybe even .100 average against him when lefties were at the plate. That was a while back. He's not the same guy at all, bringing him in in a tight situation like that is something I hope we will not do again, lefty batter or not.

"Any time a task relies on human judgement, it's likely the task will have a negatiitive result. MAn can not be trusted to get things right when it counts. That''s why we've been exiled to this planet."

Hahaha. Deep, slick.

Wise words from slick, everyone!

We had Tommy Hunter against Justin Verlander and that game was tied in the 8th. There were people on this board writing that game off before the 1st pitch. I continue to really like the 2012 Fighting Showalters. They keep scratching and clawing despite being two starters over matched by everyone else in the race.

"We had Tommy Hunter against Justin Verlander and that game was tied in the 8th. There were people on this board writing that game off before the 1st pitch. I continue to really like the 2012 Fighting Showalters. They keep scratching and clawing despite being two starters over matched by everyone else in the race."

Count me as one of those people. It felt like a miracle that that game was close late. That said, once the game was still close late, I felt like we needed to win it, just because of what a steal it would have been and what a huge boost it would have been for the club to grab a game like that.

But I digress. You're exactly right. I've never seen an Orioles team that fights like this before. I'm loving this season and hoping we can hang on until our ace gets back. If we can, we'll stick around through September.

Well the statistics say the Orioles have done a better job of winning the games they have a chance to win than anybody else in baseball. Some might say they have done a historically good job of it.

If there is anything the O's can't be accused of it's not knowing how to win.

Dude you could have commented that thread instead of creating a new one. Dude.

"Any time a task relies on human judgement, it's likely the task will have a negatiitive result. MAn can not be trusted to get things right when it counts. That''s why we've been exiled to this planet."

_ That statement is patently absurd, of course.

This is only a tiny example of the success of "human judgment," but last month I got to go to Italy. One of our stops was in Florence and, for the second time in my life I visited the cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore... the Duomo. It's tough to miss because it's an enormous and centrally located church. It's also one of the most beautiful buildings I've ever seen.

Constructing the dome intended for Santa Maria del Fiore was a puzzle and, eventually, an open competition was held to find a solution. Fillipo Brunelleschi won that competition with a new and ingenious plan in 1418.

I'd encourage anybody who's actually interested in human judgement to read Ross King's "Brunelleschi's Dome." I'm sure glad that the fifteenth century Florentines didn't take the cowardly way out, say "the world is going to end... why build anything?" and cease trying to be creative human beings.