I would have liked to have gotten Headley for Arrieta and 2 from Delmarva or have gotten a Greinke if he would have agreed to an extension. I am very happy that we did not get Blanton, or even Liriano, or a negative-impact player or one that will be just a few months rental but would cost us good prospects that could be traded later for someone better.
Making a trade, any trade, just to satisfy the fans is how we get guys like Mark Reynolds. The GM says that he is going to get a corner infielder or a pitcher and then he has to go out and do it or the fans get irate. I'm sure that you would be content with giving up Schoop or some other prospects for pitchers that would be a downgrade from Hunter but I am against it. If Dan had made a bad trade, then instead of being angry that no trade was made you would all be complaining about the horrible player that Dandy Dan acquired. Even if you supported it at the time, once a player performs badly you all turn on him. Remember when everyone loved Mark Reynolds and I was the one that could not stand him? lol
"There has to be a solid right handed left fielder out there somewhere"
yea his name is Steve Pearce and the O's let him go in favor of .190 hitting Endy Chavez.
Headley seemed to be there for the taking.
We've been through all this before, but he's a very good defensive third baseman (among the 5 best in the majors by most standards). Anyone who's watched the Orioles this years knows that third base hasn't exactly been a gold-glove position for Baltimore.
Headley is hitting .271/.369/.428 this year with 13 homers and 57 RBI.
He's just 28 and his contract isn't expensive.
That's not extraordinary unless you consider his home/away splits and the stats of current Oriole regulars... disregarding Nolan Reimold, Omar Quintanilla and Steve Pearce, none of whom have/had many plate appearnces.
Headley's raw numbers would give him the team's 3rd-best batting average, its best OBP, and its 5th-best SLG. He would be tied with Matt Wieters for 4th on the team with 13 homers and tied with Adam Jones for the team RBI lead.
Of greater significance are Headley's home-and-away splits.
At Petco Field, he's hit .254/.341/.358 with 11 doubles and 3 home runs in 52 games.In "away" games, he's hit .287/.396/.495 with 10 doubles, a triple, and 10 homers in 55 games.
Outside Petco Field, Headley is a career .300/.370/.450 hitter in 320 major league games. He's hit 78 doubles, 5 triples, and 31 homers in "away" games as a Padre.
He plays about every day, so the very good defensive third baseman we didn't trade for would figure to hit .300/.370/.450 with 39 doubles, a couple of triples, and 15-16 home runs in a full season with the Orioles.
IMO, he would have been able to "help."
It's true that the Orioles could try again to get Headley or another third baseman this winter. But, as I see it, he would have been a perfect fit... now. He's making $3,475,000... less than half Mark Reynolds' salary. He'll be eligible for arbitration next year and I read that he'd be likely to get $6.1 MM. Headley will have another year of "team control" in 2014 and could become a free agent in 2015.
The Orioles blew it, I think. They could have batted him #2 and bounced J.J. Hardy to #5 or #6, strengthening both their offense and their defense.
I like Arrieta a lot, but so did the Padres. That's more important.
Nicky Delmonico is projected to be a serious power-hitter, but he's 20 years old and he just had knee surgery. He's also at least 3 years away from the majors.
A nucleus of Markakis, Headley, Jones, Wieters, Chris Davis, Hardy and Reimold, none of whom will be older than 30 next Spring, would have looked pretty strong.
Yep - I thought for sure there'd be a trade of some sort besides the one for Thome. One under-the-radar move that happened during 'trade time' that may pay off big dividends was the signing of former Cuba LF Urritia. I look forward to seeing what he brings to the table next year.
Honestly, though, I thought for sure this years team would be improved by a trade or 2. I thought for sure a trade for a 3B would happen. My choice was Aramis Ramirez - the Brewers had gotten rid of Greinke and I thought for sure it wouldn't be so hard to trade for ARam, especially if the Brewers were looking to lower payroll. Sure, ARam makes 7Mil a year, and, yes, he'd be a stopgap for 2 years at 3B...but thats ok with me! Chase Headley woulda been nice, but the price for him was too high. So, ARam it was for me. Bat him 5th and let him do his Brooksie impression at the hot corner. Oh well. Strike out.
Also, I thought for sure they'd amp up and get a good pitcher, seeing as the starting pitching depth was on thin ice and the playoffs were in reach. But I was very wrong once again.
We have until August 31st to make a waiver trade, though, so maybe DD can work a deal somehow there.
Yeah, I do agree and would have liked to see a deal for Headley and more importantly, a pitcher to give Britton some more time in the minors. It's difficult to see us in the playoffs with our current rotation (though I will say, I have been pleasantly surprised by Tillman and Gonzalez; I didn't expect them to see the success that they have). Still, you don't get to the playoffs with one #2, two #4's and two guys who really wouldn't get the call on almost any other team.
But at least we still kept out major pieces in the system; it definitely could be worse. And we just took 2 of 3 from other AL East teams. Just win baby.
" (though I will say, I have been pleasantly surprised by Tillman and Gonzalez; I didn't expect them to see the success that they have)."
So, in our discussion about Dempster, you were just saying that we should give those guys a shot so that you could see them fail and prove yourself right? Sorry to disappoint.
"Still, you don't get to the playoffs with one #2, two #4's and two guys who really wouldn't get the call on almost any other team."
We have already heard all year long about how we won't win any games, then how we won't make the playoffs, next it will be how we won't win the World Series. You and slick have no faith in this team as it stands, we get that, we just beat Hellickson and Price so please excuse the rest of us for thinking that a bunch of middle aged New Yorkers are not going to stand in our way of the playoffs.
" I know keeping Machado and Bundy are essential but if you look back at the trading deadline, most of the guys that were traded, it didnt take alot to get them."
Please explain. The Angels gave up their last great prospect and two really good pitchers, the lesser of the two throws 102 mph or so for a couple months of Greinke. How is that not "alot"? Who did you want to land and which Oriole prospects/players would you have given up instead of who the other team gave up. Please, educate us about how to run a ballclub, I just hope that Dan is reading...
I never once said that we "would never win any games". I said we would never make the playoffs, and we haven't done that yet, so you can't say that's wrong. It's really just the rotation that I have no faith in, I think the lineup will turn it around soon, but the rotation is garbage. And yes I would still have preferred to get Dempster back when it was suggested since his price was not excessively high.
"So, in our discussion about Dempster, you were just saying that we should give those guys a shot so that you could see them fail and prove yourself right? Sorry to disappoint."
LOL you really know how to twist people's words. I never once said I wanted to see them fail. I just said that I wouldn't expect a suitable replacement, and can you be sure we have them? Hunter and Britton are still 2 gaping holes in our rotation, and though I think Tillman has been decent so far, he's only had 5 starts, 2 of which he experienced a lot of trouble. A guy who is only on 60 percent of the time might be worth a spot in the rotation, but shouldn't be considered your "savior". I hope I'm wrong, maybe the bullpen will be good enough to pick up the slack, but I really don't think this is a good enough rotation.
Slick and I disagree more often than we agree, so it really isn't fair to lump us together. Being a fan isn't just about blindly supporting it no matter, it also involves suggestion for upgrade. The next time you post a negative comment, I'll remember this and make sure to note your lack of faith.
I give credit where credit is due (like I did with Tillman, Gonzalez and Duquette for not giving away our best two prospects or acquiring Joe Blanton). However, I will criticize something when I disagree with it (not getting Headley or Maholm at the deadline).
"Slick and I disagree more often than we agree, so it really isn't fair to lump us together."
Booobs come in pairs!