If the O's are after Headley as Jim Bowden mentioned, what do you all say is a fair trade for both sides? I would suggest Matusz, + the competitive balance pick we just acquired or Schoop instead of the pick.

I read that the Marlins say Hanley is not available but the would consider moving Omar Infante. He would be an upgrade at 2b as far as defense.

Matusz to San Diego would be ok for Headly, but not with Shoop. I'd love to get Omar Infante for 2B and Hanley Ramirez for 3B - what would it take to get them? Maybe Matusz, Schoop, Ayala or Lindstrom, and the pick? Eh, probably more.

saw this on MLbtraderumors a couple days ago

Tigers, White Sox, Orioles Asked About Richard
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 18 at 1:24pm CST]
The Tigers, White Sox and Orioles checked in on Padres left-hander Clayton Richard, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter). All three American League teams are known to be seeking starting pitching depth.

Richard, 28, has a 3.83 ERA with 5.0 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9 in an NL-best 127 innings this year. He earns $2.7MM in 2012 and will remain under team control as an arbitration eligible player through 2014. He has a career ERA of 4.12 with 6.0 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in five seasons with the White Sox and Padres.

Padres GM Josh Byrnes figures to get calls on players such as Richard, Edinson Volquez and Chase Headley, but all three players are under team control past 2012. One team said the Padres' asking price for Headley is the highest market price, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reported on Twitter today.

So I would suggest a 5-2 deal. The O's would get Headley and Richard in exchange for Matusz, Avery, Single a 1b Baker, Stephen Johnson and the pick or a nother single a player.

Why would the Padres make that deal. The only real upside player on your list is Avery. And even he is a big question mark. Richard and Headley are more proven. It would take a lot more than what you schemed up. You have to give to receive.

Sounds like a good deal. Then maybe put a package together for Infante and Josh Johnson or Anibal Sanchez and we could win some games.

The O's will do the same thing they did in 2005 when they were 47-40 at the All Star Break .
They won't do anything except have the merry-go-round going between the
O's, DL, AAA & AA. If the O's didn't do anything when the O's had a 3 or 4 game lead in the division and about a 5 game lead in the Wild Cards this year they sure aren't gonna do anything of any consequence now.
As soon as these new starting pitching call-ups start struggling they'll replace them with Arrieta and Matusz whether if they deserve it or not.

This year I hope more than any the Orioles are careful about the trading. Yes the young pitching is showing strains in their growth. Some would even say failure. A little bit of prophetic sayings" No one learns anything from success. Only failure makes for future success". I remember how Jim Palmer had his stuttered development. Nothing is a straight line.

I do not expect with the cautious venture I suggest a game changer. But we should look to add people that we can expect for a couple years to be strengthening our defense and starting pitching.

Right now I would hope to see Tillman have a couple good starts letting his value build. I am in favor of trying to wit for Matusz, Arrieta and Britton to develop. Also I see high future for Avery. I watch Minnesota outfield control by speed. Developing that speed to steal bases and be a potential leadoff hitter is my goal.

So Yes see what we can do for Hedley, and Saunders, ... And Yes I want to see Britton, Matusz and Arrieta remain in the minors for the season. Let them learn and get very hungry.

Governor William J. Le Petomane: Thank you, Hedy, thank you
Hedley Lamarr: It's not "Hedy", it's "Hedley".

Marlins are saying Hanley is not available. Infante I would think, should be able to be picked up for Matusz or Arrieta plus a low level. Anibal Sanchez will probably leave as FA in off season, so I think they would look to replace him with a low cost option. They also appear to need bullpen help since Bell has taken a real dive.

I was all for buying if this team deserved it but over the last month they have proven they don't. The ENTIRE rotation is in tatters, the defense is TERRIBLE and while I do believe the bats are coming around there just isn't enough OBP in the lineup to win big games against top notch pitching.

I STILL like the Thome trade because I don't mind spending some white chips to get our blue chips some 162 game playoff run experience. If the O's spend a couple other minor chips trying to get that WC spot Im fine with that. This group sorely needs to have the experience of playing 150+ meaningful games.

But you only spend as much as that means to you because the A.L. only has 3 legit contenders in '12 and the O's ain't one of them.

It may not work for this year, but I think buying the right guys for the next couple years, is a good move. I think if you get a Headley OBP type not only would you improve the defense, thus the pitching gets better, you score more runs which allows more opportunities for wins.

I think LF works itself out with whatever you have left of Avery/Hoes after the trade for a 3B.

Stay away from the Greinke, Hamels, Dempster short term guys for pitching.

Alot of teams just hanging around .500 for a good while. Someone is going to take off and make a run. It may be Boston as they are getting healthy. However, with the right move or two, we have a chance also.

As long as DD doesnt let go of a Bundy, Machado type anything else to pick up a good 3b and another starter for a few years should be considered.

Yeah I just don't see that happening, when teams sell in July they are asking for above the market price from teams that want to win a WS.

We wouldn't be able to get Clayton Richard by himself for that offer, let alone Richard AND Headley.

As a San Diego resident and fan,,, Headley and Richard would take Machado, Bundy, Pedro Strop and Miguel Gonzalez... just to get the Padres to listen... Both Headley and Richard are under team control until 2014.. Headley in particular- away from Petco- may just be the best overall 3B in the game today- and he is just entering his prime yrs.. look at his away splits- Petco is the worst hitters park in baseball.. Chase in Baltimore would be like a .300 25HR 100 RBI 20 SB .400 OBP type of offensive weapon.

The Padres have a young 3B prospect in Gyorko (AAA) who is hitting .355 and has like close to 30 HR's between AA and AAA this year.. so trading Headley now makes sense.. Problem 1 - they want 2 top prospects + 2 other ready mlb players in a return for just Chase.. Offcourse most teams don't have what Baltimore has at 1 and 2... Problem #2 they are in desperate search of SS- their minor league system is void of them.. young Amarista and Everth Cabrera are more 2B, utility types forced to play at SS now..so any deal involving Headley would required a top SS prospect or a young MLB tested one (like Castro from the Cubs), in case a 3 way trade could be worked out...

Ok ya right Machado and Bundy ok your dreamin realistically machado and 2 mid level prospects would most Likely get the deal done.

Not according to Byrnes GM, in an interview,,, he has 13 teams looking at Chase, with 6 of them Baltimore was id'd as one of them in the serious stage of discussion... and he wants 2 top prospects + 2 MLB ready or proven young guys- P or position player or 1 of each.. in exchange for Chase.. Preference would be a top SS propsect in the Profar, Machado mold and a top SP Prospect with top of the rotation potential.. on XX1090 the other day... He may ask, he may or may not get... but then again Headley is UNDER control until 2014 and going nowhere unless a substancial offer comes back... I mean look at what the Reds traded for Latos... Grandal, Alonso, Volquez and Boxberg that's 4 players who are pivotal to the foundation of the suddenly HOT Padres,, and Volquez by himself has been as good if not better than Latos..

Bundy AND Machado. Now you've gone way too far. You want the 2nd and 3rd best prospects in all of baseball. It would take a lot but not both of them. And also, Adrian Gonzalez left Petco and his numbers went down. It's all relevant. The AL East has much better pitching. The NL West is probably the worst division in Baseball.

"Headley and Richard would take Machado, Bundy, Pedro Strop and Miguel Gonzalez"

You must be a Padres fan. No way those guys are worth the next Steven Strausborg, a future all star SS, one of the best relievers in baseball and our number 3 starter who looks pretty solid.

I think a more fair offer would be Machado, Arrieta, maybe Bridewell and Delmonico for the 2 of them. But that'll never happen because we aren't going to trade away our entire future for 2 solid players (they aren't stars).

I think Matusz ,Flaherty, Schoop and the lottery pick would be plenty for Headley or Arrieta, Avery, Schoop and the lottery pick

The original poster thought we were going to get Headley and Richard for his proposal.