On returning to the form demonstrated for the last decade. Very, very shaky.

They look like the same team as last year which is not good we need to get rid of people I don't get why they let people like Gregg Hunter Johnson (now hurt) Flaherty stay in the majors they are not ready and may never be ready and Matuz he's not ready send him to triple a to work on his stuff. They have Tillman Gonzalez who was a good Reliever in the majors let him start like he does in Norfolk they need a change are they waiting til they drop in last place. Which will be in a week if they don't do anything about it. The players might be working hard but for sure the people working upstairs aren't.

"The players might be working hard but for sure the people working upstairs aren't."

How do you know this??? Are you guessing??? Are you just supposing???

As with any trade you need a partner that agrees to certain terms. If you bring up players from Norfolk that are not ready for the "Prime Time" you ar no better off than with what you have on the roster already.

Gregg has an unmovable contract.

Hunter has an option or two and n=may be excrised after today.

Johnson is hurt and on the Dl so he can not be moved until activated.

Flaherty was a rule five player and the options on him are limited. If going into the season anybody though we would be in the position we are now (2nd place) they may have let him return out of spring training. With the time invested into him (Flaherty) at this point I think he stays on the roster.

Tillman is not ready for the show until he gets through 7 innings at AAA without throwing over 100 pitches therefore not an option asof yet.

Gonzalez has one start that has him "Stretched Out" and needs at least two more and be effective in them.

Matusz is the same as Arietta. They have proven in the minors all they can and we need to either allow them to progress or trade them. Up and down to and from the minors is not an option at this point.

Really Tillmans not ready til he gets through 7 innings without throwing a hundred pitches ya its much better having pitchers who cant make it through the 4th or 5th and letting up 7 runs.

You do know there is a difference between AAA and the Majors??? Pitches that are being swung at and missed a Norfolk will become walks at Baltimore. This was his problem the last time through here. If you do not understand that then what would be the point of further discussion.

No really I thought majors was the same as triple a but if you have some doing great down there they won't be awful in the majors most of the time.

His WHIP and ERA are worse this summer at Norfolk than they were in 2010 so he has regressed from his 2010 form. His numbers at MLB and MiLB in 2011 were abysmal at best. So by all means let us repeat the 2010 process and bring him up only to fail once again and waste his 2013 campaign before it starts.

On a side note, I would wish that you keep it civil and not snarky.

orioles are 42-35 and 5 games out nearly at the midway point, and people are complaining? and saying they are faltering lol at the beginning of the season if we all were told theyd be 42-35 and only 5 out and in second place , and on top in wc race, wed all have been elated, as bick says, its a long season, relax, any thing near a .500 SEASON IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT, AND NOW WERE CONTENDIDNG. ID SAY WERE SITTEN PRETTY

"sitting pretty"...?????? I'm not complaining about the record. This team is in a funk and looks like they are going thru the motions. The ball that dropped in RF the other day. Jones foolish lack of concentration last nite. Poor approaches at the plate. Pitchers throwing batting practice at game time.

Buck has work to do!

Will everyone just calm down.

you sound like the guy I was listening to the whole game yesterday just babbling on during the whole game yesterday.

I think that what some people are suggesting is that they would prefer 5 shutout innings from a starter over 3 innings, 8 ER's from a starter. Tillman will not be consistent; he might go 6 or 7 on occasion but will usually get pulled in the 4th or 5th due to pitch count or walks. I have been a big Tillman fan and have thought that he might one day reinvent himself, but it's not happening. Yes, he is still very young but at age 24, he's been a professional for about 1/4th of his life, if he has not changed by now, I don't think it will happen. Three choices, be happy with 5 innings, unleash him from the pitch count, or trade him. If we need to wait for Tillman to throw fewer pitches, instead of allowing him to throw more, then I say we should consider trading him to Detroit. He will throw a lot of pitches, he will walk a lot of guys, he does not seem able to break this so it is either something that we have to live with or just get rid of him and let him play somewhere that they don't mind him throwing 130 pitches to throw a complete game no-hit shutout while walking 7 guys. Send him to Detroit, maybe him and Verlander will thrive together while they pitch their 127 or 131 pitch games. The Tigers manager seems to be the only person in baseball willing to allow such a thing.

Tillman’s last 10 starts in the majors (2011).

(4/18) 3 ER 6.2 IP
(4/30) 1 ER 5 IP
(5/5) 8 ER 3.2 IP
(5/11) 1 ER 6 IP
(5/16) 0 ER 5 IP
(5/22) 1 ER 5 IP
(5/27) 1 ER 4.1 IP
(6/30) 5 ER 4.1 IP
(8/6) 2 ER 7 IP
(8/11) 6 ER 2.2 IP

In 5 of the 10 starts, he allowed 1 run or less, in 7 of the 10 starts he allowed 3 runs or less. He usually lasted around 5 innings or less. The reason why he lasted so short is because of pitch count and walks. Three starts before the first start that appears on this list, April 2nd against Tampa Bay, Tillman pitched 6 no-hit innings but he was lifted due to a pitch count of 101. Six innings is not as nice as seven, but no hits is better than 20. lol