Just trying to remember the last time the Mets had a young player come up through the program "on time". They make such a big deal out of wanting to stay the course with the youngsters and make sure they go through Double A, then Triple A, ETC...

Seemingly ALL the guys that have been brought up in recent years have come up early through necessity. Ike, Duda, Kirk, Tejada, Murphy, Parnell, Thole, Pelfrey, Mejia, Harvey, etc...all were brought up ahead of time due mostly to injuries and non-performance.

So far Murphy has worked out, and fingers crossed Tejada..it's extremely questionable whether any of the others will end up becoming as good as they were "supposed" to be.

RUSHED

No its bescause they dont draft good players in the first place. Mostly cus they r cheap n dont spend enuff

no kidding. What they did with Pelfrey and Parnell...two guys with PLUS fastballs, was a crime. They rushed them through before either could develop a solid off speed pitch and expand their repetoire.

Idiots

I'm starting to wonder if it's the talent the Mets are drafting, or the people in charge of developing that talent.

I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

Because the Mets are good at a couple of things none of which are good for the players.

They say they won't rush certain player like Harvey, then they do.

They say they won't change potential #1 starters like Mejia, then they convert him to a reliever which again caused him another lost year of development.

Now there are rumors on how they want to do the same with Familia.

Players like Duda and Davis are given every opportunity but players like Satin and Lutz are deemed too old at 25/26 even if they are hitting close to 300 and are right handed hitters which we need.

Players like Nikreas secured a spot on the team only because pitchers like throwing at him. Big deal.

I'm not about to defend Nickeas, but don't underestimate the importance of a pitcher having confidence in his catcher. Tim McCarver's career was extended for many years just because Steve Carlton didn't wish to pitch anyone else

There have been WAY to many lately - just look at the list of guys (some who Omar traded, many here crucified Omar for it... but guess what, even if the aging player we got in return didn't perform all that well we didn't really lose ANYTHING:

Lastings Milledge - traded for Ryan Church who actually played great for us but concussions ended his career, shame too, he was a good player. And Brian Schnieder, eh.

Yusmiero Petit - Traded (along with Mike Jacobs) for Carlos Delgado, well Petit is now 27 and STILL hasn't made it to the majors for more than a cup of coffee, Jacobs... is he even in baseball anymore? And Delgado, well that goes without saying, we won.

Scott Kazmir - 28 years old and now out of baseball, never was the super ace we thought he'd be, and while we lost, in the real long run we really didn't

Carlos Gomez, AND Phil Humber - well both aren't very good and we got Johan for them, and while Johan appears to be falling apart well before we expected him too, he did give us a couple good years and our first no hitter. We won.

Lets not forget the much older "highly touted" prospects we had that s--ked! Alex Escobar, Bill Pulsipher, Aaron Hielman.

Now name the ones who came up and became good/great players -

Uh... David Wright.

Murph... remains to be seen, not a star, but a good player. Tejada, again not a star, but a nice piece for a lot of teams.

All that said, aside from Wheeler I'd be willing to trade ANY of our prospects... for the right players in return. It'd have to be for talent already at the major league level that can come help us now. You don't trade prospects for prospects. I wouldn't trade one of our top prospects for a reliever either... because:
1. Relievers are IMPOSSIBLE to predict - one season they are lights out and the next they're AWFUL (see Ramon Ramirez)
2. Relievers don't sign long term deals. Only top notch closers do. Middle relievers no team signs to long term deals because of reason # 1. Often times your bullpen almost completely turns over every 2-3 seasons. I wouldn't trade a top position playing prospect for a guy who might help us for 1 or 2 years then sign elsewhere.

Mc Carver could hit and was a great catcher. You cannot compare him to Nikreas. You cannot carry 2 catchers that don't produce. Thole has 18 rbi's for the year. Turner has about the same coming off the bench. Valdespin may have more.

Let me say this.....Nickeas is horrible! heh. My point was only that a pitcher does need to have confidence in his catcher. That wasn't me advocating keeping Nickeas around. Also, I agree with you that McCarver was a solid catcher, but towards the end he was just hanging on because of Carlton