"Comparing singles (skillful perhaps, but singles nevertheless) generated on a long time loser team, versus a HR IN YANKEE STADIUM WITH THE YANKS IN 1ST PLACE, is not a valid comparison of crowd enthusiasm."
Obviously, this is true. Like I said, the first year I lived in Seattle (2003), Safeco Field had a great atmosphere.
I can remember SPECIFICALLY the end of the Mariners dynasty. If you recall, Jeff Nelson made some remarks criticizing GM Pat Gillick for never making the big trade deadline move to give the team that extra boost for a playoff push.
I guess Gillick said, "You want me to make a move, Jeff Nelson? Here. You're traded to the Yankees for Armando Benitez."
I don't know if you have players like this, but Armando Benitez is one of those guys where every time I ever see him pitch in any kind of important game, he f**ks up.
I'm from NY, so going back as far as 1995, it didn't matter if Benitez was throwing 100 MPH, had a 1.11 ERA, had struck-out 47 batters in the last twenty innings. He must have had a 0.13 ERA in other games, because whenever I watched him pitch, Armando Benitez gave-up at least one run, usually more, and often failed to finish the inning.
So, when the Mariners traded Nelson for Benitez, I knew the Mariners were doomed.
On Sept. 9th, 2003, the M's were one game back of the A's for the AL West lead. They were in a virtual tie with the Red Sox for the Wild Card. They also had the best Run Differential in the AL.
That day, the M's were playing the last-place Rangers. The M's jumped out to a 4-0 lead. Ryan Franklin pitched 7.33 innings, allowing just one run.
The M's were winning 4-1 with one out and nobody on base in the top of the eighth. For reasons I don't know, Manager Bob Melvin removed Franklin, who was at 105 pitches. Arthur Rhodes entered the game and allowed a groundball single.
Enter Armando Benitez - one out, one on, top 8th, M's winning 4-1. Benitez walked Alex Rodriguez, before allowing a three-run HR to Rafael Palmeiro to tie the game at four.
The Mariners went on to lose this game in extra innings. One week later, the M's were four games behind the A's in the AL West, and trailed the Red Sox by two games for the Wild Card. A week later still, the Mariners were five games in back of the A's, and four games behind the Red Sox.
Basically, as a fan, with some exceptions here and there, it has all been downhill for this organization since Sept. 9th, 2003. The M's haven't given fans that much to cheer about.
"When the Yankees were often bad in the late 80s/early 90s, their attendance (in one of the most populous, wealthy cities on the planet) was (relatively) weak. And the Yanks actually finished last only once."
I can tell you from personal experience that that's certainly true. But those days were fun, in a way. Old Yankee Stadium was a pretty cool, old building, and when no one was showing up at the games, you could buy a seat in the upper deck, and gradually move your way down.
Plus, the fans who did show up at those games were much cooler. I mean, back then, an upper deck seat was $3-6. So, it was, like, 20,000 old New Yorkers with home-made scorecards and transistor radios. And Dave LaPoint was the ace of the staff.
I miss those days!