Fans need to flat out stop attending their games until something drastic is done. The consumers have all the power -if its a crappy product, dont buy it. Force the producer (owner) to improve the product if they want to sell it and make money.
Dolan has no incentive to make changes to this team because fans keeps stuffing money into his wallet and he continues to profit.
If you're going to fire anyone, fire that Choo guy!
(Fire him our way.)
I don't blame you for being disgusted... This lose was a heart breaker...
But if you are a fan going back to '48, I'm sure you've watched many MUCH worse teams during our worst years (70's and 80's).
Today, I watched a team that tried to stay in a game even though each and every inning that they had that small 1 run lead, was blown.
The strategy of loading the bases with 2 intentional walks and only one out, and running with 5 infielders could have been absolutely disasterous... BUT it worked to perfection, and the Indians team that I watched run off the field after the double play, was PUMPED!... The team that left the field had not given up, and they showed it the very next inning with 3 huge runs!
What I saw in the bottom of the 9th, I don't think we would have EVER seen during many of our worst years.
Blowing the game at the bottom of the 10th was not a team thing, It was a single closing pitcher thing.
Now, with that being said, I wish that Acta had gone out (maybe he did and I missed it, as my head was buried in the oven) and spoken with Perez, when it was obvious he could barely find the strike zone, early in that 10th inning.
I have watched a lot of lousy Cleveland Indians teams since 1954 both on TV and in person and I am having a very hard time remembering a loss like today ever in all those years.
Don't worry you didn't miss anything, Acta must have been too tired to make the walk to the mound to even talk to his closer or take the energy to look at Radinsky and tell him to take the walk.
I've watched since 1948 and never saw anything as disgusting as today.
I saw Bob Feller's third no-hitter in 1951. I had the great pleasure of seeing Herb Score strike out 16 Red Sox and Feller pitch his 12th and last one-hitter In a twinbill in 1955. I saw Lou Boudreaux hit a liner in the gap to beat the Yankees in a double header in 1948.
I have seen,though, more bad baseball than good but today takes the cake!
In my opionion - Your comment was just ranting rhetoric.
If you've really been a fan for this long - you have certainly lived through what has often been called the "30 year drought" (1960 to 1993)
To call this game the WORST you've seen since being a fan since 1948 is NOTHING less than ridiculous.
I've been a fan since the 60's and this was hardly the worst loss I've EVER seen...
To label a loss like today as you did, was nothing less than silly and shows you are less about accurate commentary about a game and more about being a typical internat flamer!
If you really did experience those great moments in Tribe history - I admire you and wish I had done the same... but to now believe that you've entered the world of ranting discussion forum ranters, making ridiculous comments that have no merit, I am sorry to see you end up here.
To me, the decline -- at least symbolically -- started when the Indians choked after taking a seemingly commanding 3-1 lead against Boston in the 2007 ALCS. Two of the losses were recorded by none other than the vaunted C.C. Sabathia. He started the opener and, I can remember vividly, threw the first pitch into the dirt, a sign of how he was to pitch over all.
I suppose there are those who would content that the decline into near-oblivion (at the moment) actually started a decade earlier, when the Indians lost the World Series in Game 7 to the Marlins. The vaunted Jose Mesa choked big time, and, as if to pour salt into the proverbial wounds, the Marlins owner, Wayne Huzenga (founder of Waste Management and Blockbuster), proved himself a traitor to the Marlins' fans by dismantling the team, either by trading or failing to renew contracts of several key players. Fortunately for Marlins' fans, he no longer is the owner. Unfortunately for Marlins' fans, Ozzie Guilen, the biggest troglodyte in professional sports, is the manager ... hired, ironically, because he is buds with the new owner.
As for the Indians, I wish I could say I see the light at the end of a very dark tunnel, but I do not. I believe we are in for a long stretch of more years we will much prefer forget.
I don't disagree with you at all at how this loss was gut wrenching as a fan.
However, I absolutely DISAGREE with the poster I responded to, when he posted that this was the worst loss he'd seen since 1948!
These discussion forums can be interesting and offer insights that many may not consider when reading posts from those that are truly knowledgeable about the game and the sport.
But, lately I'm seeing more ranting rhetoric that is less than accurate and more often filled with innacurate diatribes, observations and commentary.
Did you not read that I responded to a person that said this was the worst lose he'd seen since 1948!!!!!!!!
This team is breaking the hearts of many true Tribe fans, and I'm sure that many that actually wear the uniform are hating where they are now.
But I'll say again that anyone that thinks that this entire team has given up is nothing more than a a "Monday Morning Quarterback"... And God knows, Cleveland has had enough of those over the last couple of decades!
I think there is more and more ranting rhetoric first because of nothing happening at the trade deadline and this long losing streak and a lot of people are venting even though they might not be thinking before they do. Being an Indians fan can be hard enough but when you see where it gets hopeless year after year and watching this year that since 2009 was promised as being THE year the Indians would be competitive enough to win the division for 2 to 3 years it is all coming out just how frustrated a lot of people really are right now.
I wouldn't say this team has given up because just watching that game against the Tigers they kept on fighting but the problem is they don't have enough players on the 25 man roster who have enough talent to make a difference. There might be some Monday Morning Quarterbacking but there are also a lot of fans who have seen this coming and saw that the front office wasn't going to do much to stop it right from the lousy last off season they had that was supposed to be very promising. There have been plenty of complaints about the offense and having so many guys hitting under .240 for quite a while now so I think with the way the game was lost on Sunday it just boiled over for a lot of Indians fans.
Well said, and I agree. Nothing done prior to the trade deadline was disturbing. A FO and ownership that is REALLY trying to win a division will work to plug at least one of those holes you see in the first half of the season. I do think that the Tribe doing nothing was a slap to the fans and to the players.
AND you're certainly right that being a Tribe fan can be tough... This 9 game skid (that probably put us out for the year) was miserable for any fan and I'm guessing worse for any player on that roster that cares about winning.
I woke up this morning (which at my age you thank the Lord) and that Cleveland Indians blood is still through out me.
I apologize for over-reacting but, wow, did that hurt yesterday.
I remember going to bed because my wife and I couldn't bear to watch the end of the 7th game against the Marlins. However, we felt pretty sure we were going to finally have a World Series Championship. I woke up around 3 am only to find the Tribe and Mesa in particular had blown it. I never felt such disappointment but yesterday was just a loss that I had to rant before I could sort things out in my mind; for that I apologize.
Yes, it was great to be an Indians fan way back then. I was a little too young to see Keltner and Gordon at their best and soon Boudreau was gone but we had Al Rosen and Bobby Avila to step in and take their places along with Luke Easter. Larry Doby was my favorite player and one I believe was always overshadowed by Jackie Robinson and Mantle. Doby could do it all.
I remember Willie Mays great catch and was able to see Game 4 of the 1954 World Series. Bob lemon didn't have it and most every fan wanted Bob Feller to have a chance to pitch in the '54 WS game but Al Lopez opted not to pitch him after going 13-3 in the regular season.
I saw virtually every Yankees-Indians game back then and I can't tell you how many times Yogi Berra would beat the Tribe in the 8th or 9th inning with a clutch hit. Mantle could have been the greatest but Yogi was the Indian killer..
It was nice to know your lineup was virtually set year after year and you felt a closeness to the players missing today.
In a nutshell, no matter how they frustrate me from the owners on down, I will always be a Cleveland Indians' fan.