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  • 8/11/12

Dodger fan here so take it easy on me but I've been dying to ask this question to some of the more "mature" Giant fans.

I'm in my early 50s (though my wife says I act more like 2 or 3) and grew up listening to the Dodgers on a little transistor radio and could only catch the late innings when sound waves permitted. I fell in love with Scully during those early years and still love to hear him today even though he'll have a gaffe now and then.

I also listened to Giant games and always got a huge kick out of Lon Simmons and before him, Russ Hodges. But I was always a big fan of Simmons' subtle dry humor and his approach to life. Really enjoyed him.

Now and then I'll listen to the current Giant announcers (specifically Krukow/Kuiper) and I just don't get it. Don't like their homerism, don't think their off the wall humor is funny in any way, but I do appreciate their knowledge of the game and what they put into it.

Question to old timers: How do you rate the current Giant announcers crew v Hodges/Simmons?

Vince P

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  • 8/11/12
You do not like k and k eh? Give Mitch Williams a try. Come back with your analysis after OK?
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  • 8/11/12
Please no.
:)
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Hey V17,

Dave Fleming and Duane Kuiper are the two best play-by-play voices of the Giants at this point, IMO. I'd rather listen to either of them than Jon Miller, who appears to be deeply in love with the sound of his own voice, and often appears to be bored silly by the games he's announcing. Mike Krukow is a joke as an announcer, IMO.

I grew up on Hodges and Simmons, and I'm not certain I'll ever hear anyone better than them...aside from Bill King calling the Raiders games in the AFL days.

LoneStar

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  • 8/11/12

"Now and then" huh? Lol. I think Vin should make a graceful exit at this point.

I have to kind of agree with Lonestar, though I never heard Russ Hodges.

I miss Lon Simmons.

I think Miller is good calling it straight, but tries to be funny too often, especially when he has Fleming to play the straight guy.

I think Kuiper is pretty excellent.

And since Kuiper is in the unique position of being a play-by-play guy who can also provide color commentary, I sometimes wish Krukow would talk less.

I prefer Kuip's more subtle sparse sense of humor...he doesn't joke much, but when he does, he drops a gem.

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  • 8/11/12
Without a doubt Hodges and Simmons were the best and I grew up listening to them late a night when I was supposed to be asleep - but people tend to forget that Hodges, as wonderful as he was, was very much a homer announcer. As a kid, I loved it -- not sure how I'd feel now but he was great that aside. Simmons was hands down the funniest most honest announcer. I think the team today is very good - if you compare to other teams around the league they really stand out, homers or not. And at least K and K know the game and do point out things I find interesting... if repetitive at times. And frankly, aside from Scully, who is past him prime in some embarrassing ways, Monday and Steiner are, in my opinion, terrible. Monday in particular is hideous -- he uses 10 words where 1 will do. He's not a bright guy and it comes across.
Lollard
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63 years old here, is that mature enough?
Vince Scully is a legend the current batch of ML broadcasters just don't get.
With the Giant team as an example he does the job it takes four broadcasters to do and he is never on assignment 'vacation'.
However I do prefer Kuiper and Miller over Simmons as Simmons would try and call balls and strikes from the booth. He also had a tendency to do the Krukow dance of embellishing a Giant players performance when there was nothing to back up the praise.
Willie McCovey's foul fly balls were a good example with Lon fawning all over the majesty of the foul flight. Even on more then one occasion he said that McCovey must have set the record for the number of feet the ball had traveled. I still liked Lon over Scully though and Lon deserves his HF status.
Now if Scully had just been the Giant broadcaster as I grew up you can easily imagine how my loyalties would change.
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Yes but Monday was the guy who made the greatest play in all of baseball.
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God I hated Greenwald.
The only one worse in my opinion was Bill Thompson.
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I too am in my 50s and born and raised in the L.A. area, but have always been a Giants fan. Vin was a great story teller, back in the day, but now the stories are getting old, and he seems to be getting forgetful. I do have to give him this though, he wasn't like the other Dodgers announcers, he annouced the game from a fans point of view NOT from a dodger fans point of view. If i turned the game on late, I could always tell if the dodgers were winning or losing just by the sound of Jerry doget, and Ross porter voice, not with Vinnie. But I think he should retire
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  • 8/11/12

Big howdy Lonestar!
Your take on Jon Miller is one I totally agree with. When he is doing RADIO, and I'm driving down the road, I am so sick of how he is doing his orchestrated low-keying the play by play and THEN all of a sudden screams at the top of his lungs "CUUUUURVEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! STRIKE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" as he jolts my entire car into another lane!
Flemming even has "borrowed" his "CUUUUUUUUUUUUUURVEBALL screaming call now.

People say he is maybe one of the, or maybe the best ever, a real HOF'r, how lucky we are to have this guy instead of all the other homers and fakes, and idiots. Whatever. I'll take a trade for an ATBNL - (announcer to be named later).

He is fine for story telling and the game of the week for FOX or ESPN, but take his fancy way of pronouncing the number 3 like a Spanish announcer pronounces the letter "R" in RRRRRRRRRRRAPIDO!!!!!

Flemming and Kuiper are great. Kuiper's low key - smooth and fair play-by-play is natural, NOT "OVERWEIGHT" like Miller's practiced / seemingly scripted approach. Lon and Russ and Hank will never be replaced.

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  • 8/11/12

Ron Fairley was BAAAAAAAAAAAAD, but not half as BAAAAAAD as when Lindsay Nelson and Joe Angel, were doing Giants games !!!!!!!!!!

HEY! TED ROBINSON WAS one of my favorites also!! I am so glad he is doing the 49er's games, and sitting-in on KNBR talk shows . Love it.

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  • 8/11/12
I watch the Giants games but listen to the radio side with Jon Miller and Dave Flemming. I do not listen to K & K unless I have too and as long as they have the radio - I won't. Harwell and Simmons were in a class with Vince, but my all time favorites are Jon and Dave. My first game was August 1951.
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  • 8/11/12
Kruk and Kuip were good during the late Bonds era, 00-07, but Kuip has gone off the wagon and Krukow has become a mouth piece for the front office.
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Yea, they were great back then, I remember. IMO, nobody in the business today beats Flem and Miller.
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Flem and Miller are light years ahead of Kruk and Kuip. Flem should do some postseason games for TBS I think, even if the Giants arent there, probably the most underrated announcer there is today. Kruk and Kuip are a complete joke, especially Kruk.

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