How long are we willing to watch Mattingly mis-manage the Dodgers ? Often he allows pitchers to stay in a game waaaay too long. Several times this season with Chad B.

I like him most of the time. What I don't like is his moving the lineup around so much. he needs to find one he likes and stick with it. Allow guys to get in a groove.

It's funny how as bad as this team seems to be tanking, they are still good enough to be a half game back in the standings and have been right there at the top all year so far. What ever Donny has done so far, IMO, is still a learning experience for him so, I'm willing to give him a pass for now. Some people think he's to passive and doesn't want to pi*ss off his players when he has to make a decision in a game. I have not really seen this as, many tmes, moves to take out the pitcher noticeably, pis*ses them off.

The other thing about Donny is when he visits the mound and asks the pitcher if he 's OK, they always say they're good and Donny let's them stay. When they blow up afterwards, he pulls 'em. The next time this happens though, I believe Donny will just pull him and put in #2, as it were. For example, I believe the next time Harang pitches and does his usual 5th inning thing, I believe Donny will just pull him like everybody on here wants him to do. He'll use past experience as his guide, just like everybody else does in decision making. You can only take confidence so far in anything. Aside from that, you won't get many people to agree with a managers decision or indecision no matter who is managing. Everybody has a better decision ALL the time. 8)

"... Often he allows pitchers to stay in a game waaaay too long..."

Right. Donnie should be quicker to pull his starting pitchers, that way instead of complaining about how he lets his pitchers stay out too long, we can complain, instead, about how Donnie burns out his bullpens.

<<How long are we willing to watch Mattingly mis-manage the Dodgers?>>

Wasn't aware we had a say in the matter. What's your time limit?

If I had told you in the beginning of the year that by game #116 of the season Matt Kemp would have only played in 54 and Mark Ellis only 59, your #1 and #2 starters would only have 14 wins between them, your #3 starter would have only had 8 starts, your starting 1B and 3B would have 4HRs and 45 RBI between them, would you believe the team would be .5 out of 1st place?

Mattingley must be doing something right - he's the least of this teams problems. I hope he's too busy to spend time reading this message board.

LOL i was thinking the same thing. people complained about "clueless Joe" burning out the bullpen by pulling pitchers to quickly, and now people are complaining about the exact opposite with Mattingly... smh

anyways i think Mattingly is doing a great job.

The other part they don't bring up is when Donnie leaves a pitcher in and he DOES pitch himself out of trouble. So what's a manager supposed to do, pull a pitcher every time he gives up a hit or 2? That would really burn up the BP, and not to mention the replacement pitchers that would be brought in to replace the burnt up BP.

Amen

another Donnie thread? move on

I can understand Waybacks frustration, I'll use Harang as an example since he mentioned him, Harang has a era above 10.000 with runners in scoring position and close to 7.00 when behind in the count. His so to bb ration is less than 2 to 1, this would indicate that if his control is not on spot he can count on trouble. Donny has to go to the bullpen in these cases and quickly, perhaps it works, perhaps it doesn't, but leaving Harang in the game when control is an issue is a death sentence. At least by pulling him we give ourselves a chance. Not to change the subject but are you aware of a place where you can view a pitchers box score stats for each game he's pitched in a season on the same page, rummaging around for it is a pain.

Sorry, Corey, but the guy is a hand grenade waiting to happen. Whether it's the 5th, 6th or, even the 7th he will USUALLY blow up. The guy likes to pitch the ball up in the strike zone. That's were he pitches. Sooner or later the oposition catches up to it. I'd like to think that Harang could adjust in the later innings and show them something different but, as I see it, he does little to adjust. It's just the way it is.

I think anyone can understand the frustration, but runs are going to be given up in most games. For most 4/5 pitchers, you just hope they keep you in the game and don't let it get out of control.

But take Bills vs. the Cubs, for example. He started getting in to trouble in, what, the 6th inning? He walked Soriano, then gave up a hit. But Donnie stayed with him, and Bills pitched himself out of the trouble and preserved the BP another 2 innings.

But no one will remember that, because no one remembers those parts. But they will have remembered if Chad had given up a 3-run bomb.

But if Donnie had pulled Chad, and the reliever had given up the 3-run bomb, people would have blamed Donnie.

It really doesn't matter, I guess. Haters will find excuses to hate.

Hindsight is 20/20. <Da. mned if you do, <da. mned if you don't. I like Mattingly. Glad to have him manage this ballclub.

The Bills situation you described is nothing like the situations Harang gets in with his control issues. I whole heartedly agree with you about people 2nd guessing a decision, but when a pitcher demonstrates the same habits its time to take notice and take action.

Musical line-up. I know the injuries were bad but a different player at a different position batting in a different spot every right does not allow for any continuity. Now that everyone is back and the Dodgers have added a few players this isn't a problem but it does show another one of this weaknesses.
He's reactive manager rather than proactive and doesn't see ahead in the game when the Dodgers are on defense. I'm not asking him to be Madam Cleo but if your relief pitcher walks the 1st two batters he faces and he's not even close to throwing a strike he needs to be pulled, but Mattingly doesn't see that and with no one warming up he's stuck with the guy. Two batters later after a HBP and basehit the game is tied. .
He's inexperienced. You don't get to learn of the job in LA. You get to do that in KC, Cleveland or Toronto. The Dodgers should have the best of the best managers.

what a stupid stat.... every pitcher has a bad ERA when there are runners in scoring position....

well put

Not that bad......................