2012 is on the fritz. First it was underperforming, then it was injuries, and now we're on to just plain old stinking.

We can go on and on about the trades, but the fact is, we don't know who will get traded and what they will get traded for. Simple reality: there's a slight chance Greinke will be back, and it seems pretty likely Marcum, Wolf, and K-Rod will be gone. I've personally heard a rumor that the team is preparing to let all four of those guys go and make a run at Josh Hamilton, which I have slightly mixed feelings about.

Hamilton would solve a lot (if he could stay healthy). No more CF platoon, and the Brewers would be adding a legitimate LH power bat. Whether this happens or not is TBD, and Greinke's future ties a lot into any probability of it.

For now though, these are the guys who the Brewers have control over into next year and could push for a roster spot (IMO):

*On 1-year deal

C: Jonathan Lucroy, George Kottaras*, Martin Maldonado
1B: Corey Hart (let's just assume this is his position now), Mat Gamel*
2B: Rickie Weeks, Scooter Gennett (prob. not, but the heck with it)
3B: Aramis Ramirez, Taylor Green
SS: Cody Ransom*, Edwin Maysonet, Cesar Izturis*, Hector Gomez* (get to him in a sec)
LF: Ryan Braun
CF: Carlos Gomez, Nyjer Morgan*
RF: Norichika Aoki*

SP: Yovani Gallardo, Chris Narveson*, Marco Estrada, Mike Fiers, Wily Peralta, Tyler Thornburg
RP: John Axford, Kameron Loe*, Jose Veras*, Manny Parra*, Tim Dillard*, Livan Hernandez*, Mike McClendon

Hector Gomez could be an interesting guy that may kind of "come out of nowhere". He was a top ten prospect for the Rockies not too long ago, got hurt quite a bit, but has been pushing for a major league spot the past couple years going into camp. Currently trying to rebound in our minors.

Anyways, when this roster is healthy, I think there's sumthin unfingreble there. Who would you add, subtract, trade, or extend to help get them back to contention?

For reference: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html

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I'm just sayin.

So are Doug Davis and Carlos Zambrano.

Your point?

Don't forget about Dave bush haha

In all seriousness now what about sheets if he can rebound? Would he come back and retire where he started? If he rebounds could be a major move. There wouldn't be much pressure on him as we really wouldn't need him to be our ace just a #2 or #3 guy. Even though I really don't think gallardo is a true ace.

Always a chance of a guy like garza or dempster with doug.

I wouldn't mind having Josh Hamilton. Hes a great player and isn't our hitting coach Narron real close to him? Only downside is potential of off-the-field problems. He could be very useful to us.

What about guys like Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko, Brian Roberts, Jed Lowery, Micheal Cuddeyer, Josh Willingham, Mark Reynolds, ect

If there is absolutely no chance in resigning Greinke would it be possible in a trade if the rangers were serious in a trade for him to have a package around Adrian Beltre or Micheal Young?
That way if Hart isn't involved he can go back to right field MY or AB or even Rammy can play first or third. Just a question.

I know a lot of those guys are locked up or been useless lately but could help all have power and most can play multiple possitions

The thought of ...

1 Hart 1B
2 Aoki RF
3 Braun LF
4 Hamilton CF
5 ARam 3B
6 Weeks 2B
7 Lucroy C
8 Ransom SS
9 Pitcher

gets me excited. That lineup would score a ton of runs.

How exciting would it be to watch a bullpen blow 6 or 7 run leads every night.

Considering the fact that Hamilton could go for less than his market value it wouldn't be a bad idea. Even though he isn't a lock for 150+ games, he's capable of putting up 150+ game totals in only 120.

Also would Jungmann and Bradley be ready in two more season? I thought the benefit of taking college pitchers is that they can get to the Bigs faster?

Also, is their really a point to trading Krod? Last season, when he had better numbers, only got the Mets Danny Herrera and Adrian Rosario. The Mets also had to send cash with him to get that amazing haul from the Brewers.

Well the Mets were motivated sellers with the contract terms he signed...even though they could have easily NOT used him as closer and not run the risk of his incentive bonus for saves.

But your bigger point is what I have been thinking about.

What will we realistically get from Greinke, Marcum and/or Krod? I don't think its going to be that much. You explained Krod pretty well. Marcum is injured and is still a rental. And so is Greinke a rental. You can get quantity but I'm not so sure how much quality the Brewers will get.

I can't say I really even buy into the rumor all that much, but considering the mentality of the team the past couple years, it wouldn't shock me to see them make a run at Hamilton. One of the bigger motivators the Brewers have for a Hamilton possibility is that Johnny Narron was his guy, kind of kept him in line on and off the field.

Jungmann will be ready pretty soon, Bradley could take time because he's had some injuries and drops in repertoire. Albeit, I think the earliest we'd see Jungmann is end of next year unless he just dominates. Thornburg, Nelson, and Peralta will fill that gap in the meantime. Peralta is having a forgettable season, but he still has the most talent of the group.

That's an important note you hit on: what can we really expect to get back?

To get the most value out of any of these guys, they're going to have to cover a good amount of the remaining contracts. Teams need extra incentive since they aren't getting picks if they lose them.

As discussed in the other thread, you have to wonder if they won't try to toss in another guy with Greinke to up the value of the return. Caleb Gindl or even Green don't seem out of the question.