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    • The Prospect Ship is sinking
  • 8/11/12
  • LawriesGoldGlove

The AA era is starting to feel as "false hope".

Regressing in his 3rd year in terms of wins and division standings, regressing beyond even that of the final years of Riciaardi and Gaston. AA crippled our starting pitching and his farm system hasn't produced a darn thing at the major league level.

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  • 8/11/12
  • mlbtrader1
So the Halladay trade was basically Doc for D'arnaud... awesome. Padres got a better package for latos
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  • 8/11/12
  • niko10

"there is zero chance this guy becomes 50% of a BJ upton"

Well then good. BJ Upton isn't that good anyways, I wouldn't want him. Good defender but Upton is a 230-240 hitter with a low OBP and a K-machine. The Jays already have enough of those players to begin with.
That kid is way over hyped just b/c of where he was drafted.

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  • 8/11/12
  • LawriesGoldGlove
jo1sephine the prospects he has mentioned have been AWFUL in the majors. You are the one that is too stupid to realize this.
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  • 8/11/12
  • jaysforlife4

Cheapskate Rogers should take all the blame.It's unlikely the Jays ever put up much of an offer for Darvish,most likely a token bid.They wouldn't go after Fielder because of the money.

One area I would put on AA,is his delusion that any of these prospects are going to be a part of any Blue Jay revival,and unwillingness to move them for legitimate producers.Then again,it's probable that no one was willing to accept them as tradebait.

Unless a change in philosophy occurs within the Rogers boardroom,this team will be a last place for the forseeable future.How long until Bautista begins to speak out after seeing what the minors hold for the Jays?

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  • 8/11/12
  • jjstatprocard

How do young Toronto fans think a team wins in the AL East?

YOU SPEND AND SPEND AND SPEND and then you can compete.

There is no hope at all in winning by dreaming of prospects coming in 3-5 years down the road.

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  • 8/11/12
  • jayszee
this board has turned ridicolously prospect heavy, yet looking at guys likes Gose, Hech etc. I am very dissapointed
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  • 8/11/12
  • sharajr
I believe that in the AL East you HAVE to use a combination of trades, prospects AND free agents in order to be successful. The Blue Jays are currently only playing with 2 of 3 of those elements.
I don't know that AA ever promised we would sign big name free agents this year (and frankly I don't really care what he said - I'm not trying to 'catch' him or call him out), but I don't see that there's much debate that Toronto is lacking at a few key spots that will require an above-average player before they will be truly competitive. AA has done terrific work with acquiring undervalued assets from other organizations and in growing the farm system somewhat.
The problem is that if they don't supplement the lineup with a couple of (yes, expensive) free agents is that they're just counting on too many miracles from young kids and guys without established track records.
Players like Lawrie and Hecheverria and Cooper and Arencibia and other young players are certainly of use to a good team. The problem is (and has been for 15 years) that whenever the Jays do have a good young player in the minors, as soon he comes up to the bigs he is immediately expected to carry a larger burden than should be asked of him because the MLB team is lacking and he almost inevitably fails to meet overgrown, unrealistic expectations.
This team is short a few players, but if the Jays refuse to do anything but wait for young players or 'reclamation projects' to fill those holes, they waste the best, surprisingly great years of Encarnacion and Bautista and Rasmus. The breakthroughs of EE, Bautista and Rasmus mean nothing unless they are supported by at least some players you knew you could count on, because their turnarounds are not the 'x-factor' to push a team over the top and into the postseason. They just exist on a stat sheet. Reliable, steady, even unspectacular established MLB players are going to cost money in free agency. A good team makes it hard for a young player to crack the lineup - makes him earn it. The Blue Jays haven't done that much the last two decades.
There's far too much angry rhetoric on this board about this but, without hyperbole or name-calling, I feel that, especially in the rotation, they just haven't been honestly trying to compete. Maybe AA never intended to go for it this season, but that was never going to happen. Toronto had one pitcher in their rotation this year who had ever pitched 200 innings in a season before. That's not honestly competing.
Yes, in the gamble that is free agency, there will be an onerous contract or two that will not pay off. The Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Reds, Nationals, Braves, Phillies, Twins, Cubs, Marlins and White Sox all own contracts that they'd rather not have. I don't need to point out what the obvious distinction is between us and all of those teams as far as recent postseason appearances go. The odd miss in free agency is the cost of doing (winning) business. Toronto isn't even taking a shot.
What I honestly don't understand is how we, the fans, have been brainwashed into caring about things like whether or not a player is controllable or has what ownership calls a 'good contract'? Personally, I could care less what a player costs ownership. Ownership has a responsibility to bring its fans a chance of winning - at least periodically. That possibility has not been existent for well over 15 years. How they go about rectifying this is of little interest to me, so long as it happens.
Until Toronto's ownership seriously invests and brings in select experienced players with proven track records (not just 'change of scenery' guys) who can create a culture of higher expectations that younger players have to assimilate themselves into, they simply need to 'catch lightning in a bottle' too many times every season for any honest chance at a playoff berth. What got the team over the hump for the World Series years was a couple of judicious free agent signings like Winfield, Molitor and Morris. I feel like one or two reliable free agent starting pitchers this winter would do a great deal to raise the standards this team currently plays at and would give this lineup and revamped bullpen something to REALISTICALLY play for. To win you have to at least sit at the table and roll the dice now and then.
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  • 8/11/12
  • tercet
no shutup hech will never be more then an aaa backup infielder, gose will be fine.. carlos gomez or so
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  • 8/11/12
  • tercet
If you get 50s in gr 9 10 and 11 math what do you think will happen when you take gr 12 advanced math?
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  • 8/11/12
  • JaysQuattro

"Cheapskate Rogers should take all the blame.It's unlikely the Jays ever put up much of an offer for Darvish,most likely a token bid.They wouldn't go after Fielder because of the money."

Thank God they didn't win the Darvish bid. That would have been a disaster for the team and would have crippled them for years. Talk about a massive overpay. The Fielder contract will also turn out badly for the Tigers.

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  • 8/11/12
  • tercet

Well if he was 700 ops youd be posting several times a day HAHAHAHHAHAHA, I havent said anything to you yet since hes come up, so wrong!

pclol

He never hit rhp never, ever, ever, ever

500 ops 10,11,
730~ ops in 12 in pcl

Players can improve from milb to majors, but the improvement that hech needs to be come a bad bat 600~ ops is astounding.

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