From latimes.com (notice Iannetta admitting it was HIS mistake, and that HE put down the WRONG sign). WHAT have I been telling y'all. Maybe Iannetta is just having a problem working with so many different pitchers?_______________________________________________________________
Some miscommunication between Weaver and catcher Chris Iannetta compounded Weaver's struggles Friday.
"Chris has been rolling, but we just couldn't get on the same page," Weaver said. "It was one of those weird nights."
With two on and no outs in the fourth, Weaver let up on a first pitch to Jeff Keppinger that floated behind the Rays first baseman's head and to the backstop for a wild pitch.
"It was a miscommunication on location," Scioscia said. "Weaver made his turn, something looked different, and he lost his release point."
Weaver walked Keppinger to load the bases, and Sean Rodriguez, Ryan Roberts, Molina and Jennings followed with run-scoring hits.
"I made a mistake," Iannetta said of the pitch to Keppinger. "I put down the wrong sign. It's my fault."
""I made a mistake," Iannetta said of the pitch to Keppinger. "I put down the wrong sign. It's my fault.""
Am I missing something here? Aren't pitchers allowed to shake off signs anymore or was that a Scioscia sign (*sarcasm intended)?
Iannetta's mistakes "compounded" Weaver's problem, who was already getting pounded. Iannetta's statement prove his character, more than anything else. Miscommunications happen, and I'd bet they explain the unhealthy amount wild pitches from our relievers that gift wrap runs for the opposition.
Weaver's last terrible outing was against (surprise) the Rangers, and Bobby Wilson was the catcher. He also gave up 5 runs against the Yankees with Wilson catching. I suppose Bobby Wilson is Weaver's Krypotnite, as far as this season is concerned.
You're grasping at straws here. Iannetta was out for June and July, when the team was performing well. By the time he was back in action full time, the starting pitchers were a wreck. How is it even remotely fair to compare him to Jeff Mathis, Bobby Wilson, or Hester?
Ianetta jumping on a grenade for his pitchers, by taking the blame (heat) off of Weaver???????
Outstanding!!!! unlike Scoscia, and some other players, who point the blame finger outward towards others, a real team player (Ianetta) su..cks up the blame. He didnt have to; because yes, pitchers shake off any pitch he doesnt want to throw. Weaver's bad outing was do to 1 player--Weaver
"It's 9 of the other 15 pitchers he doesn't work well with (5.00 ERA or above)."
Which is misleading, because those pitcher are either on the decline or a member of the Angels bullpen. And Iannetta was on the DL when the team was at its peak. You're looking at a skewed sample from a guy who spent a little less than 3 full months with the team.
Fans used to gnash their teeth whenever Scioscia started Mathis over Napoli. No one really bought that Mathis was a CERA magician or a defensive wizard. He was a terrible hitter. But I guess with the Angels pitchers reaching some unimaginable lows, they're wondering if there was something to that catcher - pitcher relationship after all. Which is kind of like saying "Mike Scioscia was right" *GASP*
Well, you guys wanted Magic Mathis (hunkier than Magic Mike) out of town. I don't think he would have made any difference, but if you think our starters are lost without his zen like guidance of Mathis, then you should send the letter of inquiry to Dipoto. HE got rid of Mathis.
"Which is misleading, because those pitcher are either on the decline or a member of the Angels bullpen."
WOULD you stop saying that. THEY ARE THE SAME PITCHERS THAT THE OTHER CATCHERS ARE WORKING WITH!!!
How plain do I have to make it to you?
The other catchers are working with the declining pitchers, and the pitchers are pitching well with them.
You're just being stubborn, because you don't want to admit it's true.
You're the one who doesn't get it, Charles, because you're deriving a conclusion from a small, skewed sample.
Iannetta was out for two months when the pitching wasn't at this current crisis level. He was around in April when the team stunk, got hurt when the team more or at less hit their stride, and came back to another mess where everyone was making Soct Kazmir impression.
Hester did not catch a SINGLE game in April. In May, he caught like 3,4 games against the M's, A's, and the Pads, this being close to interleague period when the team typically plays well. Hester is gone, his CERA safe from getting bloated by catching any of our batting practice pitchers. Bobby Wilson was behind the plate for 2 August games in which the Angels gave up at least 8 runs.
Do you actually have tangible evidence that Iannetta is directly responsible for the pitcher's performance when's he catching games? Bad pitch selection? No plate coverage? Do any of relievers tend to fall behind less with Hester behind the plate? If Santana has a three 9 run games with Iannetta, and three 7 run games with Hester, who cares? You're splitting hair.
I like you, Charles, but like said, you're grasping at straws. To me, your theory on Iannetta makes even less sense than your faith in Bourjos, and your insistence that the team trade away Kendrys Morales. Nobody here is convinced that making Hester or Wilson the primary catcher will solve out pitching woes, NO ONE. When a starting pitcher can't hold a 8 run lead, the problem is beyond one catcher.
Who are you, his mother?
Or maybe you're Guess_Whoo, who never saw a Mathis he didn't love.
Mathis could. Thing I hated about Mathis was the move toward dirtball pitching. Hated it.
We need to get Bob Boone to teach the catchers how to catch. Of course, that would mean getting rid of Scioscia, because they seem to have differing philosophies on framing pitches.
"Do you actually have tangible evidence that Iannetta is directly responsible for the pitcher's performance when's he catching games? Bad pitch selection? No plate coverage? Do any of relievers tend to fall behind less with Hester behind the plate? If Santana has a three 9 run games with Iannetta, and three 7 run games with Hester, who cares? You're splitting hair."
So, you missed the news articles sections about 1. Iannetta putting down the wrong finger for Weaver, 2. Mix-up with Wilson last night, 3. Passed ball because of miscommunication with Isringhausen last night. THREE instances in the last two nights, where Iannetta messed up. But, you just do not want to see it. WHY? Because I want him gone. ANYTHING I'm for, you seem to be against. ANYTHING I'm against, you seem to be for. So...no surprise your backing Iannetta. No biggie...if you want to watch the Angels continue to lose...at least the Angels get a better draft pick in 2013. Stop living in your fantasy land.
"Mathis could. Thing I hated about Mathis was the move toward dirtball pitching. Hated it. "
Not exactly - Mathis' offensive liability can be directly traced to the pressure that Scioscia put on him defensively.
The dirtball comment is a good one - a lot of the catchers who had good CS ratios like Pudge mostly called for the fastball with men on base - a lot easier to throw out a runner when the ball is not in the dirt like a K Rod pitch