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  • 6/20/12
  • bekkie

interesting story. . . .

"Peralta ejected for having pine tar on glove
By Mike Fiammetta / MLB.com | 06/20/12 1:02 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Rays reliever Joel Peralta was ejected prior to the bottom of the eighth inning of Tuesday night's 5-4 win over the Nationals for having pine tar on his glove.

Nationals manager Davey Johnson asked crew chief Tim Tschida to inspect Peralta's glove after the right-hander came in for Rays starter David Price and began throwing warmup pitches. After the umpires gathered around the mound, Peralta's glove was removed and taken over to the Rays' dugout before he was ejected.

"Someone [on the Nationals' bench] had been chirping about pine tar," Johnson said, declining to say who specifically had mentioned it. "If somebody has been known to use a foreign substance on their glove or their hat, a nice hot night is the time to use it. And so I asked them to check, obviously he had it."
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Jake McGee entered the game in place of Peralta, while Fernando Rodney pitched the ninth inning to earn his 20th save.

"It was a significant amount of pine tar," Tschida said. "Inside [the glove], where the hand goes inside."

After McGee pitched the eighth inning, Nats reliever Ryan Mattheus came on to pitch the ninth. Once Mattheus retired the first two batters he faced, manager Joe Maddon emerged from the Rays' dugout and asked Tschida to inspect Mattheus' hat and glove.

"I looked at the hat," Tschida said. "He put them both out. I looked at the hat. The hat was all sweat anyway. And the glove was clean as a whistle."

After the game, Maddon said his decision to have Mattheus checked was a bit of gamesmanship.

"I'm certain that if [Mattheus] had any inclination to utilize something, it was not going to happen after what had just happened," Maddon said. "But there's no way I could not call him on it after what had happened."

Peralta said the glove he was wearing was the one he uses for batting practice.

To improve the grip so it doesn't slip out of their hands, batters often apply pine tar to their bats while in the on-deck circle and as they're walking into the batter's box.

"It's kind of a common practice that people have done this for years," Maddon said. "To point one guy out because he had pitched there, where there's probably some common knowledge based on that, I thought it was a real cowardly -- I've used that word twice this year -- move."

After being ejected, Peralta tipped his cap toward the Nationals' dugout.

"Good for them," he said. "They still lost the game, so ..."

Peralta spent the 2010 season with the Nationals, appearing in 39 games while compiling a 1-0 record with a 2.02 ERA over 49 innings.

Aside from the year he spent in Washington, Peralta also has a connection with Nationals first-base coach Trent Jewett. Prior to being called up to the Majors in 2010, Peralta appeared in 28 games for the Nationals' Triple-A affiliate, the Syracuse Chiefs, when Jewett was the manager.

"Trent has helped me a lot," Peralta said. "I trust him, and he's a good guy. He was like my dad in Triple-A, so even if he did say something [about the pine tar], I don't care. He was really good to me."

Asked about the incident after the game, Price was reluctant to get involved.

"I don't know, man," Price said. "I know that [Peralta] was over there fighting for those guys, giving everything he had two years ago. He threw the ball extremely well for them. I don't feel like I can say a whole lot without stepping on toes."

Official Rule: 8.02(a)(2)

The pitcher shall not have expectorate on the ball, either hand or his glove.
PENALTY:
(a) The pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically for 10 games.
(b) If a play follows the violation called by the umpire, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation.
(c) Even though the offense elects to take the play, the violation shall be recognized and the penalties in subsection (a) will still be in effect.
(d) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated.
Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6)
Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth for violations of 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6). If the pitcher persists in violating either of those Rules, however, the umpire should then apply the penalty."

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  • 6/20/12
  • lightitupbaby
Joe Maddon tweeted: My biggest concern for tonight is Joel Peralta. He's going to get vilified and he doesn't deserve that. It isn't right. Ask the players
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  • 6/20/12
  • bekkie

Didn't another player get caught with pine tar on his glove?

I remember being at the game in Anaheim, when they "searched" one of the Perry brothers (I think it was a Perry) and an emery board "flew" out of his pocket. We were sitting up on lower view level and saw it from up there.

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  • 6/20/12
  • charlesangels

I think it was Donnelly, and Frank Robinson (mgr Washington) made a big deal about it.

I'm sure players have all kinds of secrets, and it's just a matter of who gets outed. All Peralta has to do is continue to pitch well. That's the best way to prove it a bunch of garbage. But, of course, if he doesn't pitch well...well....

I always wondered about Peralta. He was questionable when he was with the Angels, started getting worse with Kansas City, then became the second coming of Mariano Rivera when he went to Washington. REALLY? How often does that happen? Let's see if he can keep it up, or if he returns to pre-Washington numbers.


Edited 6/20/12   by  charlesangels
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  • 6/20/12
  • sugamonkey
I was there at that game. It's just proof that Scioscia likes to cheat on everything but his diet.
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  • 6/20/12
  • Angeleer

< I think it was Donnelly, and Frank Robinson (mgr Washington) made a big deal about it. >

That's correct, and the player "chirping" about it then was non other than Jose Guillen.

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  • 6/20/12
  • sugamonkey

You know, I never understood why Angel fans hate Jose Guillen so much? If not for him the Angels wouldn't have made the playoffs in '04. I just think that unless you're Mike Scioscia theres no need to hate Jose Guillen.

I think Mike Scioscia did the fans and the organization a big disservice by putting his ego before the team.

I mean, maybe I know how to put my ego aside because if my star player punched me in the face and spat on me, that same star player would still be playing for me in the playoffs.

But, hey, that's just me I guess.

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  • 6/20/12
  • Angeleer

< I mean, maybe I know how to put my ego aside because if my star player punched me in the face and spat on me, that same star player would still be playing for me in the playoffs. >

If someone, anyone, spat on me or tried punching me in the face that person would be in the hospital, star player or not. If that is what happened then Scioscia displayed the resolve of a saint.

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  • 6/20/12
  • bekkie

How does "Donnelly" having pine tar on HIS glove prove that Scioscia is a cheater????

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  • 6/20/12
  • TNT_27_44
The pitcher was dumb for trying it if he knows he is going against a team that he played for and there is someone on there that knew he did it while he was with them. You're the enemy now and there is no loyalty when trying to win games.
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  • 6/20/12
  • KennedyHits3

You know, I never understood why Angel fans hate Jose Guillen so much?"

Here's what Guillen said when he returned to Anaheim in 2005, after being traded from the Angels to the Nationals: "I don't got truly no respect for [Scioscia] anymore because I'm still hurt from what happened last year . . . Mike Scioscia, to me, is like a piece of garbage . . . He can go to h-ell ."

PEORIA, Ariz. -- Two teams and more than two years removed from his ugly departure from the Los Angeles Angels, you'd think Jose Guillen would be over it.

You'd be wrong.

"Against these guys, I'm gonna tell you straightforward, the anger comes out of me," the Mariners right fielder said Friday. "I want to kill all those guys."

While Scioscia and Robinson were jawing at each other Tuesday night after Donnelly's ejection, the benches emptied and Guillen had to be restrained by teammates moments later.

"I'm so happy that I wasn't the first one to be in the middle because I don't know what would have happened there," Guillen said. "I am so happy that my teammates grabbed me and dragged me back to the dugout because if I was right in the middle, the story was going to be different."

That is why he is my least favorite Angel.....ever. Total classless jerk.

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  • 6/20/12
  • lightitupbaby
But you'd love him to no end if he were an Angel with that much passionate hate for the Rangers.
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  • 6/20/12
  • KennedyHits3
Nah...maybe the Red Sox though.
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  • 6/21/12
  • angelronin

Peralta was suspened 8 games for the incident. He says he will appeal. Not sure, but doesn't appealling usually cut the suspension in half? Or am I thinking of some other sport?

Davey Johnson said yesterday that he didn't think Peralta should be suspended at all and that being tossed was punishment enough.


Edited 6/21/12   by  angelronin
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  • 6/21/12
  • rickdc
for a relief pitcher 8 games is a long suspension. Does anyone know what pain tar does to a baseball, makes it move? better grip??
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  • 6/21/12
  • bekkie
Not sure what it does, but according to Scioscia and Gubi - it does not change the "flight" of the ball. (does that make sense?)
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  • 6/21/12
  • angelronin
Both Joe Maddon, and Scioscia when asked yesterday, have said pine tar doesn't affect the flight of the ball. Apparently it improves grip on the ball which is useful when the pitcher is sweating alot...
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  • 6/21/12
  • TNT_27_44
If it is not allowed on a ball because it helps a pitchers performance, then it shouldn't be allowed on a bat if it is helping the batters performance.
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  • 6/21/12
  • rickdc

"If it is not allowed on a ball because it helps a pitchers performance, then it shouldn't be allowed on a bat if it is helping the batters performance."

Thats a good point!!!

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  • 6/21/12
  • halohelen
I believe that almost everyone in baseball agrees that pine tar has no effect on the ball.
It just makes it easier to make sure that players do not have any substance or gadget that would affect the way the ball moves by not allowing pitchers to have anything.
Vaseline will for example affect the flight of the ball.
By allowing nothing, you avoid any confusion between something illegal and unfair, and something harmless.
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