and still don't make the playoffs, I think N.H. should be considered for Executive of the year and Hurdle for Manager of the year.

We should have a parade down town too the pirates are probably feeling left out.

No

Do you all forget where we were just 2 short seasons ago?

Nope, and I don't forget who put us there. To only win 85 games, we'll have to be bad down the stretch, Hurdle definitely wouldn't deserve MOY at that point and NH would lose out to Rizzo unless they collapse too, heck if we win 90 games and make the playoffs he still might lose out to Rizzo.

I think 85 is very realistic. If we get past this month with a winning August we could possibly win 90 games with that September schedule we have against the Astros and cubs for more then half of September.

Repeat that in English and with a less whiny voice please.

What am I supposed to be humbled by exactly and what does that have to do with the question posed?

I'm still confident we can win it all.

Psshhh. Rizzo and all of his number 1 overall picks playing like number 1 overall picks. Anybody could do that guys job! Even NH!

Is that YOU Alvy??????

MMMMMMMMMMMMM could be.........

Who exactly put us there? If you are somehow trying to lay that on NH after the disastrous mess he inherited even YOU might have to step back and recognize how blindly beyond reason and silly that sounds...

""If you are somehow trying to lay that on NH after the disastrous mess he inherited...""

And Huntington was 3 years removed from "that mess" in 2010. The Pirates lost 105 in 2010 due to the collective failures of Andy LaRoche, Lasting Milledge, Aki Iwamura, Jeff Clement, Ross Ohlendorf, and Charlie Morton. None of which had a thing to do with the "mess" Huntington inherited.

No doubt Neal has made several evaluation mistakes (I would NOT include Charlie Morton in that list.) But here is the reality of the situation: After watching one Pirate "5 year plan" after another fail miserably at the ML and minor league levels since 1992....I am now watching Neal's "5 year plan" result (in year 5) in a very interesting/competitive ML team and a minor league system that is dominating at the AAA level and is in better shape throughout than it has been in decades.

That's not my opinion....that is a fact. Not to recognize that has become tiresome and delusional.

As I said before. Comcast is waiting for you.