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  • 7/16/12
  • tjpadfan

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!! No oficial anouncement, but a "done" deal according to some.

Better be right and reboot as quickly as posible.

Tj.

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  • 7/23/12
  • tjpadfan

And now the new ownership is already making decisions, an extension on Quentin and posibly Street; will it help the team?

Tj.

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  • 7/24/12
  • n830mh

Actually, Josh Brynes who had no experienced at all. He fired from D-Backs organization and he have a bad trade for those players. Something is not right. I knew it! That's why the D-Backs is losing 2 season back in 2009 & 2010. I knew AJ Hinch that he had no managing experienced at all. He never was. Something is wrong.

FIRED JOSH BRYNES & AJ HINCH NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 7/24/12
  • kev28

" knew AJ Hinch that he had no managing experienced at all. He never was. Something is wrong. "

Did Kirk Gibson ever have any managing experience?

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  • 7/24/12
  • n830mh
Yes, Kirk Gibson who had a experienced and he's play for Tigers & LA Dodgers back in 1980s. He's very valuable player.
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  • 7/24/12
  • dwvgopads
Where had Kirk managed in the big leagues????
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  • 7/24/12
  • caminito

The problem with Hinch as a manager was that he had never coached or managed at any level... it was not the smartest move that Byrnes ever made -

That aside Hinch is a bright young baseball executive and will be a GM within the next few years I predict

The other poster clearly has a gripe with Byrnes and Hinch
He probably doesn't even know what Hinch's job is here - it's not the manager so who cares about the past with the D'Backs... he does have experience at the major league level in his current job

As with most GM's Byrnes has made good and bad moves
I think he has done a great job here so far with his only "questionable move" being the trade of Rizzo - but it's too early know how that will work out - guys who throw like Cashner don't come along every day

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  • 7/24/12
  • dwvgopads

He was saying Gibson had experience.. Gibson didn't manage even in the Minors before being named manager of the D'backs.. according to baseball reference..

Being a ballplayer doesn't mean someone can manager and not being a ballplayer doesn't mean someone can't manage... history proves that out..

His personal grudge against them doesn't make him correct on any of his points.. I refuse to validate his post

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  • 7/24/12
  • caminito

I think the distinction he might have been trying to make is that Gibson was a bench coach and hitting coach in the majors before being named Manager and Hinch held no coaching or field jobs...

It was considered a very unusual move and was pretty controversial in Phoenix when Byrnes made the move - Hinch was a rising young baseball executive with playing experience in the majors and Brynes believed he could handle it...

I agree that being a good player has nothing to do with being a good manager - all we need to do is look at the managing career of Ted Williams to see it doesn't always work - and even Tony Gwynn has struggled to find success at the college level -

The league is filled with great managers who had no real playing career to speak of
Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Tommy Lasorda, etc, etc, etc

Again the guy just has some major issue with Byrnes and Hinch

Hey shoot me an e-mail and let me know what's going on with you

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  • 7/24/12
  • dwvgopads

I agree that Gibson had some coaching experience .. however, once again.. being a good coach doesn't make one a good manager..

I looked it up and there have been 6 managers who never even played baseball
a.espncdn.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1390462.html

And a longer list of managers who never played in the majors..
baseball-almanac.com/mgrnon.shtml

Those who can do.. those who can't teach.. think that's the saying.. LOL

The OP isn't really worth all this time.. IMHO...

will drop you a line.. sounds like they are keeping you out of trouble... part time.. at least

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  • 7/24/12
  • kev28

The question is, where had he managed before. I am well aware of him as a player.

Just because a player is valuable, doesn't mean they will be a good manager.

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  • 7/24/12
  • caminito

Gibson was at least a bench coach which is the path that many take to becoming a manager - it's kind of like an Assistant Manager position - but even then his appointment was questioned by some because he did not actually manage a team in minors...

Speaking of managing in the minors I wonder if Phil Nevin will ever get a big league job? Or Ryne Sandberg?

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  • 7/24/12
  • aztec333

"His personal grudge against them doesn't make him correct on any of his points.. I refuse to validate his post"

and his posts don't even make sense.

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  • 7/24/12
  • dwvgopads

"and his posts don't even make sense."

Got a feeling that English isn't his primary language.. but even with that.. his posts made no sense...

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  • 7/27/12
  • padstyles
I've heard several positive things about Nevin as a manager. It really surprised me. Wish I could remember where so I could give you a link. Seems like he may some day. It seems like Sandberg will, too, but it is really tough considering how few spots there are and how many people would like the job. He's a guy who has really worked hard to prepare for it and really wants it. Maybe one day.
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  • 7/27/12
  • caminito

Yeah I read a really positive review on him too - the theme if I remember was he used a good mixture and understanding of when to kick them in the aszzz and when to give them love - he said he was always inspired by Sparky Anderson and wanted to emulate his style - the most surprising thing to me was that he was rated as a good communicator - Old Grump!!!

He said he was always a student of the game and started thinking of managing when he was a player

I know he got high marks managing the Flyers so I was happy to see him get into MiLB with Detriot... yeah those MLB Manager jobs are hard to get --- and can take years and it is the reason a lot of guys who might have made good managers after their playing days didn't do it - the years of having to live the minor league lifestyle just wasn't for them


Edited 7/27/12   by  caminito
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  • 7/27/12
  • padstyles
Could have been the same thing I was thinking of. Does seem odd considering how he seemed as a player (he did seem like a Grump!), but is a good reminder of how little we fans know of what goes on in the clubhouse and anywhere off the field for that matter.
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  • 7/27/12
  • caminito

Well there are even stories of Phil being described as everything from a grump to a cancer in the clubhouse too --

but I suspect he mellowed some (a lot) - one thing about Phil is that I think he was passionate wanting success and he most likely learned a lot on how to deal with the occassional successes and with the daily failures and now with some maturity and mellowing can better advise the young guys on how to handle it

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  • 7/27/12
  • padstyles
Good points. He was definitely passionate!
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  • 7/27/12
  • aztec333
in his case, steroids might have actually played a role on his attitude here.
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