What if you had a bad team and bad ownership and bad front office? The park is practically empty. Just tune in to 627 Comcast. I am waiting for the front office to whine about poor attendance next, and that is why we still stink , we can't afford to get better. We have the worst owners and front office in MLB.
Bill Bavasi said that, at the time he was GM, nobody in the FO had the stomach for a 5-year rebuild plan, precisely for this reason. The team knew that going into a rebuild, with young players who will struggle, and a team that will be unsuccessful, would drive attendance down. Apparently after trying it the other way, the FO has found their stomach.
They're aware of this. They know. This is one reason why I keep telling you people that you don't really have a choice but to be patient. The FO has finally swallowed a bitter pill it SHOULD have swallowed 9 years ago. Two off seasons ago, this same Front Office publicly stated that the team budget for players would not decrease. Though the payroll did go down, it wasn't because of anything the FO was deliberately doing. As I've stated, going younger, dumping old albatross contracts, and doing that 5-year rebuild plan is going to lead to a lower payroll intuitively. During this same run of several years of faltering attendance and payroll decreases, this same FO allowed the money to be spent for a Felix Hernandez extension. This same FO allowed Jack Zduriencik to pursue the potentially expensive Prince Fielder this last off season.
I know that you folks are frustrated and impatient, but quite frankly, y'all really need to stop seeking scapegoats. Just accept it.
"the mariners have the worst scouting department in baseball and its not close. Jeff Clement at #3 in 2005 biggest bust of all time . #11 aumont in 2007 (who?)...another loser first rounder josh fields.."
Good thing THAT Scouting department doesnt work for the Mariners any more....ALL of the Key Front office positions that made those draft picks are LONG GONE
Top Scouting Department positions and hire datesDuane Shaffer -- 2008 Bill Masse -- 2010Tom McNamara - 2009
Unless you you have some information that Tom McNamara was secretly calling Bill Bavasi and giving him advice, your statement is misleading and false.
Wow, that is some level of negativity.
Clement, Aumont and Fields have had enough time to see that they are busts. They've had different guys in this position since then. They aren't stinking it up here anymore though.
Ackley a career AAA player? Plenty of players have sophomore slumps. Ackley just needs to readjust to the pitchers that have adjusted to him and have a solid scouting report on him now. The tools are all there for him to be a good ball player despite the frustrating season he's had so far.
Look how bad Jason Heyward was last year.
Zunino might end up being awesome. You aren't in a position to judge him currently. Who did you want the Mariners to draft? Drafting another pitcher would have angered many. There was no magically awesome future stud bat and if there was, Houston and Minnesota would have drafted them ahead of us. Aren't you sick of the number of years we've had to look at Rob Johnson and Miguel Olivo catching for us? I'm quite glad to add a guy that is racking up national awards left and right and looks to be quite a bit better than those two guys for us eventually.
Montero is 22, and while he hasn't turned into a stud hitter yet, he's done alright for himself in his first full year in the majors. Far too many scouts have praised his ability with the stick to assume he wont' hit at a high level for us in the future.
This isn't any fun for any of us. I hate the fact that I paid money for the baseball TV package so I could actually have a chance to watch all the young developing players get better and to actually watch Felix pitch that isn't a highlight on MLB network or text lines on mlb.com and we are once again heading for a near 100 loss season.
Right now we have to show patience, though. If this current group of youthful players all develop into a core that isn't capable of even playing .500 baseball then I think we can all cry and panic.
Until then, let's accept the fact that this whole process is still going to take a while.
> They are already starting to show their cards by performing at the same level of consistency.
Ackley, first full season. Montero, first full season.Wells, not even playing full time.Seager, first full season.Carp, hurt. Noesi, first season being a MLB starter. Erasmo Ramirez, first taste of the big leagues. Smoak hasn't even gotten that many at bats in the majors.
Look at our own Michael Saunders. Guy DESTROYED AAA as a 22 year old. Didn't find any consistency or production at all really until he was 24 years old after multiple cups of coffee.
Heck, you can even look at other top young talent. Heyward had a really big down year last year. Justin Upton took a long time to get to where he is too. And these are SUPERSTAR young players, not just "core" players.
Only SUPER STARS of the highest caliber hit the big leagues in their early 20's and dominate. And even then they still get better with time. Felix took a good 4 years to become a consistent ace.
> We need to clear our minds that this is all part of development and all these guys are just making normal process.
This is exactly the normal process of player development. If you're looking for players who hit a high level of production in the early part of their 20's you're going to find a short list. I highly recommend not judging players based on even an entire season of data. Even old veterans have pretty big swings year to year. Young players getting their first taste of the bigs? You can bet you are going to see changes.
> When do you see this team realistically contending based on where we are at now?
Contending? Could be next year, could be 3 years from now. That is the thing about developing talent yourself. It can happen fast or take time. Ackley might become an all star next year, but if Smoak doesn't become useful for another year or two, etc, etc. Too much variation to know really.