After watching him pitch against us the other day, I honestly think he is teetering on the precipice of being done as a Major League pitcher.
1 quality start in 15 attempts1-9 record. His only win came in his first start.8.07 ERA2.09 WHIP
Horrible doesn't even do it justice. They would have to be up there with the worst ever set of numbers this far into the season for a qualified starter in history I'd have thought.
He'll get a Spring Training invite and that's about it IMO.
The Oliver Perez comparison has really come true. At this point I'd just convert him to a reliever, he's done as a a starter unless he gets his act together.
Teams will take a chance on him with a minor league contract or ST invite like you said, because of his great stuff and the fact that he'll only be 30 next year, but no guaranteed MLB contract will be offered.
Saw that, too Aussie. Chatwood was the callup.
Sad, he was really unhittable in September for us in 2010. Now we see him and it's like... "How?!?!?"
Wow! Isn't it a revel how one can be anointed as the next breakthrough star..then fall on their face flat?! I thought J Sanchez would turn into a quality SP for many years! Now I'm starting to second guess that he'll still be around in the upcoming years!
Boy did we fleece the Royals though! Many here were scolding the move by Sabean..but yet another solid move for our underrated GM!
The only thing tempering that is his perceived attitude Daze.
Ask anybody associated with the Royals what they think of his approach and reaction to poor outings.
Quite a few ball clubs will just say it isn't worth the trouble IMO.
Don't get me wrong. Some one will take a flyer on him but I'd be surprised if it's anything more than a ST invite.
Yeah, one of the saddest falling aparts (for giant fans) was Jim Ray Hart.
And I dont think we fleeced the Royals. Yes, it turned out badly for them, but unlike many on this board, I believe a trade is good or bad when it happens. Not "let's see how he develops".
If you trade Hal Lanier for Willie Mays and Mays slips and falls at the airport it doesnt mean the trade was bad. You got a steal in the trade. The slipping was unrelated and unpredicable.
Or more poingantly, if you give away your (supposed) 2nd best pitching prospect (alderson) for a two month rental, THAT IS INJURED AT THE TIME, that is a bad trade (assuming you are not fraudently concealing any injury to the pitching prospect). It doesnt become a good trade when it turns out later that that pitching prospect has lot all his ability.
Same with Wheeler. You can debate if trade was good or bad, but that depends on if Wheeler has value now (potential times risk-weighed probability of developing that potential), not on if Wheeler ever does develop. Whether Wheeler goes on to win 1 or 301 games in MLB is irrelevant to the wiseness of the trade.
Back to J. Sanchez. At the time, no one EVER though of Melky hitting .352. He had had like only one half season of good hitting. On the other hand, J. Sanchez still had a lot of potential (at least to many of us), and we needed him for starter depth.
We have been lucky this year (our 5 starters have started all but one game). Imagine us with a starter injury this year. Or imagine what you'll be saying 4 weeks from now when Zito loses his 5th straight. Or imagine what you would be saying if Timmy had continued his downslide. We would need another starter in those cases.
We needed J. Sanchez this year. It is pure luck that we have had no starting pitching injuries.NO ONE predicted Melky would hit .352. Luck and unpredicted outcomes have NO bearing on whether a trade was good or bad.
On the flip side, the one saving grace on trading J. Sanchez was that we picked up a guy in his contract year. That means that this career .280 (or whatever) hitter just might hit .352. No one predicted that, but it is believable since players do better in career years.
Other than Melky MIGHT hit .352 cuz its a career year, the J. Sanchez trade was bad ("you can never have enough pitching"). The fact that J. Sanchez then imploded is irrelevant to the wise ness of the trade. The fact that Melky hit .352 is irelevant to the wise ness of the trade (unless you are playing the "he's in a contract year" card, which most people dont play as often as I do).
Scott Kazmir and Dontrelle Willis also come to mind aved.
Sometimes these guys just lose it and never get it back.
you dont think that the decreasing velocity was a warning sign that the royals should have looked elsewhere or that the giants thought maybe he wasnt going to pan out and that melky would be a better target
the giants always had pitching depth and were one of the best pitching teams, what they needed was hitting and they needed it badly for years, they still need hitting
melky cabrera not only was in contract year but coming off a career year, some could think it was a fluke, but evidently he might have just been a lte bloomer, giants thought he was worth the risk and that they needed hitting
it turned out better than they expected, they were probably at best hoping for melky to repeat 2011 but thought theyd get a little less, instead melky is hitting even better
as far as pitching depth, the giants should have had depth, surkamp had a few solid starts last season, and was supposed to be the 6th starter after the trade of sanchez, but surkamp suffered injury meaning giants are now shorter on depth,
getting rid of pitchign depth for hitting was a necessity, you cant worry about what happens if a member of rotation goes down while just accepting that there will not be any hitting whatsoever on your team, they needed to do something to improve the offense from that miserable 2011
Hey man, no offense, but that's one of the worst opinions I've ever heard. I mean, there wasn't a thing there that made baseball sense.
1) We fleeced the Royals by KNOWING J Sanchez was good as done, and he would never help this team win games over a replacement. Our SCOUTING department saw Melky as more than a 1 hit wonder and did what it took to jump on that opportunity before 29 other teams got to it. Now, Cabrera has the #2 average in baseball, the #6 OPS, the most runs scored of any player in the NL, and Sanchez is GARBAGE...not even good enough to replace a replacement level player.
2) You don't judge a trade by the outcome. WT Bugger are you talking about??! Freddie Sanchez was a central part of bringing the WS to San Francisco, and Alderson is still flopping around in AA, having contributed nothing to a ML team yet, and he never will. I think you're trying to say that you should never trade a guy who has potential, because he might become good someday. This shows such an absolute lack of understanding about what a GM is required to do for a team, it just blows my mind.
There's more, but I don't want to jump on you too much. I get where you're coming from, but it's just so devoid of sense that it was shocking to read.
Oh, and Willy Mays slipping at the airport? No, there is no one who can account for that in a trade. But whether a guy goes on to have a good career - or simply help your team win when you have him around - these are things that FO guys get paid well to do. That's their job.
If I remember correctly, the trade for Glass Sanchez was in 2009. Then he was a FA after that season.
That being the case, the Glass Sanchez that we traded for did NOT help us win a WS. The Glass Sanchez that helped us win a WS was acquired later as a FA (contract extended as he was readying to become a FA)
I liked shulmans quote:
"the royals informed Sanchez that he has bicep tendinitis "