Frank Wren and Mike Rizzo are the top GMs in the NL, IMHO.
Luhnow has been doing a great job, but he hasn't been at it long enough to consider him the top GM.
I pretty much agree with Marshall.
Luhnow has done a great job of building the farm with limited resources, but we haven't seen how he does in other areas. This offseason will be interesting since so much money is coming off the books. He'll probably be able to get a few mid-level free agents.
"and he has traded MLB players"
Certainly, but the MLB players he had to work with didn't have much trade value. It's not like we had a Pence type on the roster this season.
I think Luhnow has done a great job, but it takes time to see the results of his work.
He has decrease payroll, acquired prospects, and had a draft with the 1st overall pick. Prospects may or may not pan out and this success rate is going to determine a lot towards his 'success.'
Another test for him as a GM is going to be knowing when and how to transition from rebuilding into a contender. At some point you have to stop moving MLB talent and start holding on to it. It is impossible to field a team entirely of 25 y/o guys making the league minimum who have at least average to better MLB talent.
"It is impossible to field a team entirely of 25 y/o guys making the league minimum who have at least average to better MLB talent."
This right here describes Tampa Bay and Oakland, they field competitive teams but they can not get over the hump because they can not add more payroll or they do not add the right guys to the payroll. Plus it stinks that they are in the divisions with the biggest spenders. Which we are going to be next year. I hope Crain is willing to spend some to get us over the top when the time comes."
" If we don't get 4-5 above average MLB players and most of them turn out to be 4th OFs, Utility IF, and Middle RP, then it really will not matter that he mastered the system. "
I hope you are including players acquired last year as well, 2011 before he got here. Guys like Cosart Singleton and Springer in the draft as well as the 2010 draft. As far as above average ... I am hoping for 2 or 3 in that range with 2 or 3 average MLB players (meaning starters). The verbiage could mean anything when you say above average, do you mean a Jeff Bagwell or do you mean Mark Grace? Do you mean a Bobby Abreu or a Bernie Williams? If one of the Pitchers became Mike Scott or Roy Oswalt I would be ok with that, if they became Shane Reynolds for 10 yrs I would welcome that as well.
There is a wide range in which it would be satisfactory.
"I agree he was constrained by the situation but in comparison to the other 30 GMs, we have probably allocated more resources to rebuilding the farm than 25 other teams in the past 10 months."
Absolutely, but we still didn't have much to play with at the ML level.
I think the most you can say is the best at building a farm. =======
It's too early to suggest even that. The Padres, Diamondbacks, Braves, and Nationals all have great farms that have been built on good drafts and thoughtful trades. Luhnow has to get a bit of a track record -- beyond then handful of months -- before you can objectively say he is the best.
"I think the most you can say is the best at building a farm."
Not as long as Mike Arbuckle is alive and well.
"Who is he with now? I didn't realize he was an NL GM, last I heard he was fired from the Royals and I can't remember hearing about him taking an NL GM job since then."
His name is Mike Arbuckle and no, you didn't hear he was fired by the Royals because it didn't happen. He's still there doing his thing. But you are right he isn't the GM so I will change that to Dayton Moore. The man with enough sense to keep Arbuckle.