Comparing death to the Astros losing 100+ games is a horrible comparison. Why would you even go in that direction?!

You're missing the point entirely. Read the first sentence of my post again. The point is that just because a person has resigned themselves to something doesn't mean they want it to happen. My sister just got her wisdom teeth pulled yesterday, all four of them. She sure a heck didn't want to have to go through that, but just because she didn't that didn't mean she was just going to go around and pretend it wasn't going to or didn't need to happen. The point was that the logic of your post was bad; you're basically saying that anyone who doesn't believe in this team is a "so-called" fan and that they WANT this team to do badly.

":::THIS.:::

http://i.imgur.com/UFGjk.jpg:"

I am laughing out loud and rolling on the floor laughing at this oxymoronic post. Well, maybe not rolling on the floor...

"I just love all the so called fans who would rather the Astros lose 100+ games..."

You assume too much. Acknowledging the likelihood of another poor season or two is NOT a desire to see them do poorly. It is the difference between rational thought and irrational emotion.

There is a place for both. They are not mutually exclusive. Just think of it as rooting for the underdog. It is impossible unless BOTH are happening simultaneously.

Bottom 4 will be Cubs, Twins, Padres, Royals

:::Stop!:::
Hammertime!

"I just love all the so called fans who would rather the Astros lose 100+ games..."

Would you rather see this team go 81-81 every season for the next 10 years, and never make the playoffs? Or would you rather endure a few ugly 95+ loss seasons in the hope that they lead to a brighter future? Spending a bunch of seasons stuck in neutral, winning just enough games to be respectable but losing too many to make the postseason is no way for a team to function. That's exactly why the Rockets have been so underwhelming the past few years.

I'd love to see the Astros win every game, but the reality is that they're not going to be a legitimately competitive team anytime soon. There's zero benefit to them hovering around .500 at this juncture, but there is a tangible benefit (draft position) to losing a few more games. I never root against the Astros, I just don't mind that much when they lose (for that reason).

I know they're off to a bad start, but I think there's too much talent, both in the Majors and Minors, for the Royals to not stay out of the bottom five this year. Cubs, Astros, Twins, Padres and Mets would be my pick to finish in the bottom five once it's all said and done.

I didn't miss the point at all! People are actually saying they would rather this team lose 100 games than show improvement, and still miss the playoffs. Those people are bad fans, IMO!

I didn't assume anything. People are actually choosing 100 losses over an improving team that misses the playoffs. Those people are bad fans, IMO!

If you can guarantee the Astros will be a winning team after 3 100 loss seasons, I would still rather show gradual improvement. You can't guarantee anything... Losing 100 games and getting top picks doesn't mean this team will improve in 3 years...

The best thing for this team to do is keep getting better each of the next 3 seasons. Then, the GM can add the right free agents, and push this team into the playoffs. Either way, there are no guarantees, but I would rather watch a team that improves each of the next 3 seasons...

The Rockets are a whole different story. The current NBA draft set up is a joke. They have more problems than I care to discuss tonight. The Rockets have done what they need to do... other than signing a superstar player... That will be Morey's biggest failure, IMO!

"I didn't assume anything. People are actually choosing 100 losses over an improving team that misses the playoffs. "

Yea, it boggles the mind., They whine constantly for the young guys to play and now that we have a group of young guys playing,they want them to stink so they can get more young guys. For what? So they can stink too?

I understand the need to rebuild the farm system. However, there is no need to lose 100 games per season in the process. We might as well move to Pittsburgh... LOL

"However, there is no need to lose 100 games per season in the process. "

Exactly. These people seem to, think that if you are the worst team in the game for three years in a row a magic wand is waved somewhere and presto, you're in the WS.

Agreed. Let's root for wins. If we lose 100 along the way, woo-hoo we get 1-1. If we compete for the wildcard this year, even better. As much as I didn't like Drayton in the final years, you gotta love the attitude of champions or nothing. People act as if that's a bad thing. Now I wouldn't make business decision based on that philosophy, but why not root for it as a fan?

"As much as I didn't like Drayton in the final years, you gotta love the attitude of champions or nothing. People act as if that's a bad thing."

It's not bad to be positive. Fans were just tired of Drayton giving us lip service and insulting our intelligence. The Astros could be 10 games out with 11 to play, and you'd hear champions talk. It got old.

:::Exactly. These people seem to, think that if you are the worst team in the game for three years in a row a magic wand is waved somewhere and presto, you're in the WS.
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10 stars, pops. 10 stars.

Through 5/11

Rank Team W L GB Last Rank

1. MIN 9 23 - 0.0 1
2. SDP 11 22 1.5 3
3. KCR 11 29 2.5 2
t4. BOS 13 19 4.0 11
t4. CHC 13 19 4.0 4
t6. COL 13 18 4.5 t14
t6. LAA 14 19 4.5 5
t8. MIL 14 18 5.0 t9
t8. PIT 14 18 5.0 t6
t8. SEA 15 19 5.0 t6
t11 ARI 15 18 5.5 unranked
t11. PHI 15 18 5.5 t12
t13. HOU 15 17 6.0 t9
t13. SFG 15 17 6.0 unranked
15. CHW 16 17 6.5 t14
16. DET 16 16 7.0 unranked

Congratulations! Leaving the Ranks.

MIA 17 15 8.0 t6
CIN 16 15 7.5 t12
OAK 17 16 7.5 t14

"People are actually saying they would rather this team lose 100 games than show improvement, and still miss the playoffs. Those people are bad fans, IMO!"

Then, I'm sorry, but you're a short-sighted fool. Only a fool would want a couple more ultimately-meaningless wins in a year where we won't compete instead of being able to draft a potential ten-year superstar. The team can improve (young players developing and gaining experience) without it showing up in the W-L column.

"Exactly. These people seem to, think that if you are the worst team in the game for three years in a row a magic wand is waved somewhere and presto, you're in the WS."

No, but it helps. Look at the Nationals; Harper and Strasburg may very well lead them to that franchise's first pennant this year. You can either draft the talent and get their best years for cheap or sign it and get a few declining years for a bazillion dollars. After another draft or two, along with trading off the final pieces like Wandy we have now, we'll finally have enough depth in the system to where we can stop selling and let a large crop of prospects develop.

Right now, we're still too thin at almost every position to stop the acquiring of prospects any way we can. Schafer has holes, Bogusevic is a short-term solution at best, Johnson won't last, Lowrie will be expensive soon, Castro hasn't shown much, and Norris is the only starter currently in the rotation who has a legitimate chance to be a good MLB mid-rotation pitcher for the next 3-5 years without costing an arm and a leg. Down on the farm, we have some good names, but all of them are either young with significant development time yet ahead of them (and a good chance still to bust), or they have holes and have been inconsistent. Singleton is the closest thing we have to a can't-miss prospect, and he still hasn't shown a lot of HR power and is slumping right now, not to mention he's basically a bat-only prospect. We're not just a few pieces here or there away.

We're not talking about the difference between a legitimate playoff run and a 110 loss season on this thread. We're talking about being willing to win just 65 games and finish in last place rather than win 68 games and finish next-to-last for the sake of getting the very best prospect we possibly can to help us win consistently for years at a time in the future.